I don’t expect answers, but any advice or thoughts on what I could consider would be really appreciated.
Around 4 years ago I bought a property in Ballarat. At the time it returned around 6.3% which was high for the area ($260 p/w rent paid $215k), and whilst it looked slightly negatively geared my thoughts at the time were that with improved road and rail infrastructure making commuting the Melbourne more appealling that rents would rise fairly well over time and it would move to neutral and then positive relatively quickly. Instead whats happenned is that Ballarat has become appealing to Melbourne investors after cheaper property, and there’s a rental glut in Ballarat pushing our rent down ($250 p/w for last tenant and not sure we’ll even get that).
With lower interest rates it should theoretically only be costing us $1-2k per year to hold which I wouldn’t mind, but with “things” coming up each year, it’s been averaging more like $5k p/a out of pocket expenses, which is adding up quickly and I’m concerned going forward (we have about $30k left in a LOC we’re using to fund it, and that lasting 6 years is a lot different than lasting more like the 15-30 or infinite if positively geared which we’d hoped).
We put it on the market a few months ago, with the knowledge we’d lose money (around $30k by the time all costs are in) but with concerns not only for the ongoing costs, but also the sustainability of the property market atm we were ok with that. Since then we’ve had two purchasers pull out due to builders reports (one concerned with property development next door affecting our house, the other with a need to restump which their builders report stressed but that doesn’t match our understanding, I’m organising someone independant to check it out). The last one would have gone ahead if we dropped another $20k off the price, but that just seemed too low for us (wearing a $50k loss overall).
It’s a 100 year old cottage. It basically is what it is. Looks cute, but the floors not level (there are a couple bearers that aren’t properly on stumps anymore) and things have moved around. Some rusted downpipes, a garage that probably should be knocked down, stuff like that. However from an investment point of view at the asking price it’s returning 5.8% in a market where the average is 5%.
So I’m considering options. I could spend $20k addressing the bigger issues and doing some reno, but I’m not sure that will raise the value of the place even that much.
I could spend a minimal amount to make the place safe and presentable and just keep holding it hoping rents will improve over time.
It’s in heritage overlay area, so I could try to arrange to knock it down and build a couple of flats instead (390 sq m land area) either to hold or sell, but I’m not sure how the numbers stack up there, if I was even allowed to (I think the council would have issues given I assume it’s exactly the kind of place a heritage overlay is intended to address).
Umm, not real sure what else I have as an option. Maybe I just need to suck it up and sell at a price I can get and wear the big hit to the pocket.
Oh, not sure if it matters much, but we bought in a discretionary trust. With the losses atm it sure would be nicer to have it in our own name so we could deduct tax losses, but at the time we bought we thought we’d hold for a very long time and the idea was that most of that time we’d be making money, not losing it.
So, if anyone has any thoughts or advice, please let me know.
The only way I can see that a property of this yield is losing you $5k per annum is a situation such as this;
You borrowed the whole amount, plus stamp duty, and are paying a whopping interest rate of 6.3%.
If my assumptions are correct, it poses the following questions:
Why are you paying such a high interest rate, when the going rate at the moment is more like 4.2% ?
Have you paid any of the debt down?
I also observe from your post that it sounds like you’ve allowed the property to run down and thus it would not be particularly comfy for a tenant to live in it. It’s generally unwise not to maintain your property, as it leads to it struggling to compete with maintained property. You would have this problem in any area. It sounds to me like the location of the property is not the issue, but moreso the financing and the lack of maintenance…
Perhaps look at refinancing to secure a lower interest rate, and discuss with your property manager what needs to be done to the property to secure a tenant.
The interest rate last year was (majority of the time) 5.01%. Approximately $185k against the investment property (interest only for first 15 years), with the deposit, all purchase costs (including stamp duty), and ongoing costs above rent from a LOC against our PPoR which started around $45k drawn down and is now around $60k drawn down ($90k total). Interest rate is down to 4.51% currently.
Last year we had a vacancy for a few months, so rental income was only $9.9k, against costs of $16.7k (12.5k of which was interest), the rest being repairs, fees, taxes, rates and water.
Previous year we had $12.8k rental income, but costs of $18.9k (13.7k interest and higher repair costs (incl resurface bath and shower and replace toilet cistern).
I wouldn’t say we’ve let the place run down, we immediately take care of any issues that get reported (I don’t think I’ve ever said no to a request or suggestion from our rental agent), and try to keep the place looking neat and tidy. That said, some of the things that were issues we intended to address when we first bought the place haven’t been addressed (initially because we got a tenant who wanted to move in immediately very quickly, since then…to be honest they slipped our mind until seeing the new builders report).
I’ve spoken to the sales agent, and he thinks we can realistically get a sale if we drop the asking price by $15k and leave it as is, or fix everything (including the major items) and probably only recover those costs in terms of sales price. I’ve asked our rental agent to take care of the urgent issues immediately, and whether she has someone who can assess whether the house does need restumping (only a few years ago it was reported as “some bearers off stumps” which we’ve had addressed, but now according to a different builder its “whole house needs restumping” which seems like a big change in a small time). I sent her the whole report and asked for her thoughts on what we should address from a rental investment perspective.
At the suggested sale price we’d be left with around $45k left on the LOC I believe. The cost to repay that falls somewhere between best case return numbers if we keep it, and historical average cost. At the moment I’m thinking we’ll take it off the market, and look at addressing all of the issues in the report (very rough estimate of $20-30k) including sprucing the place up even more once it’s all done (paint, etc) and keep it as a long term investment, hoping things turn around. It’ll probably mean we’ll need to be putting money into it regularly to cover costs fairly quickly, as the LOC will be maxed out fairly shortly after that expense. It also means we’ll probably end up owing around $280k for a place worth around $230k once done, but selling it leaves us with even more debt by the time we factor in selling costs, and no asset that at least has some potential to grow and hopefully the rental market will improve over time.
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