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    just got my PPoR valued and have around $88k equity, this is however a 90% lvr, not sure if should get a line of credit as would like to start investing soon

    my loan struture would be
    $488k existing home loan
    $88k line of credit
    $275k new investment loan with a new lender

    or should i wait until i have 80% lvr to invest as i don’t have to pay lmi?

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    That is really a personal choice. keep in mind you can only use up to 90% of the value, not the equity so you may have less useable equity than you thought. I have clients that have taken loans up to 90% repeatedly and done well out of it, but keep in mind the property bubble could burst and you don’t want to be over exposed.

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    My property was valued at $640k, currently i dont have any savings so want to use the equity for a ip for stamp duty etc. Yes i might be over exposing myself if the property bubble does burst.

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    Hi Jo,
    Re your comment “Should I wait until I have 80% LVR so I don’t have to pay LMI?” I’d like to add a few thoughts:-

    1. Many investors agree that the paying of LMI can make sense in the generation of wealth – but it may not be the best decision for everyone, so do have an adviser take a look at your situation and discuss things in full.

    2. I’ve heard that LMI payments seem to take a huge jump once past 88%, so if you were able to stay at 88% max (borrowing $75k instead of $88k) would this be sufficient for you to invest? It could help you a bit by keeping it lower…. one to discuss.

    3. The other side of borrowing at a high LVR is your DSR. If you earn a good income, this may not be a problem for you.

    4. Is such a purchase in step with your goals?

    Other things include setting up your loans and mortgage accounts in the right way to maximise your benefits (e.g. offset account, keeping certain accounts ONLY for investments, etc). Your adviser should be on top of this and guide you.

    Good on you for taking a look at IP’s. Do keep us up with what is happening – we are only too happy to help,

    Benny

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    Profile photo of Jason StaggersJason Staggers
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    @jo23, check out my article, “4 Ways to Fund the Growth of Your Property Portfolio”: https://www.propertyinvesting.com/4-ways-to-fund-the-growth-of-your-property-portfolio5002855/

    It’s a little broader than than the equity question, but hopefully it will help.

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    Article was very informative!

    I was thinking of using a buyers agent. Would their fees ve tax deductible if i use it to find an ip?

    Any good buyers agent in sydney?

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    No, buyers agent fees are a capital expense and not deductible.

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    Profile photo of Urban primateUrban primate
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    I’ve had reasonable success using a buyers agent in Sydney called Plan Assist

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    Where are they situated?

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    To my understanding a buyers agent does not take money off the buyer Jo.
    They will do a split normally 50/50 or 60/40 depending on agreement on the commission structure with the sellers agent.

    at least in QLD.

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    Level 1, 1392 PACIFIC HIGHWAY
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    http://planassist.com.au

    they helped me source a property in Western Sydney last year

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    To my understanding a buyers agent does not take money off the buyer Jo.
    They will do a split normally 50/50 or 60/40 depending on agreement on the commission structure with the sellers agent.

    at least in QLD.

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    But then they would be acting for the seller.

    A buyers agent is paid by the buyer to find them a property to buy.

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    Conjunctional arrangements:

    Most Written Authorities allow the listing agent to enter into a sales agreement with a sub-agent, known as a conjunctional agent. In a conjunctional arrangement, another agent approaches your listing agent with an offer from a potential buyer. If the offer is accepted then the commission you have agreed to pay to your listing agent is divided between the two agents as they have agreed.

    Conjunctional deals increase the prospects of sale but are not as attractive to agents because of the splitting of the agent’s commission. Nevertheless, agents are required by law to inform the seller of all written offers from potential buyers, even if it is through another agent. Remember that a listing agent and the conjuncting agent both act for you as the seller and, therefore, have certain obligations to you in selling your property.

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    I as an agent am happy to be an agent on behalf of someone and charge them nothing providing they sign that If I find there wanted property and they purchase it I receive a split with Sellers agent.

    -I am acting on behalf of and for the buyer and on there instructions.

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    Interesting Jaxon. I haven’t seen it done that way before.

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    @terryw conjunctions are fairly common but I have never done one. I don’t believe they work very well for the buyer in most instances. It makes for a cranky sales agent every time. Only desperate agents in very quiet markets accept conjunctions. In any warm to hot market it will fail to get through every time, why would an agent say goodbye to such a big portion of their fees? How are they motivated to get the deal done or move their sellers price down? They aren’t.

    My introductory emails to agents I have not met yet typically read something like this “Hi, My name is Matt Knight and I am an independent buyers agent (no conjunctions) and I would like to talk to you about….” because I have met so much resistance and suspicion from agents when they think I want their fees. Once we are over that hurdle we are best of friends, I am now their ally bringing buyers and doing half their job for no cost to them. It changes the dynamic instantly.

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    We are Licensed Buyers Agents in Qld and never do conjunctions.

    We act for the Buyer and charge the Buyer for the service.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    Really, so I have a question for Knightm and Richard Taylor, (your sellers agent) buyers agent has an offer on the basis of a conjunction, your seller wants offers and is legally required to receive such, what do you do?

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    Are you saying (hyperthetically) imagine a scene where we are the selling agent, and there is another agent with an offer using conjunction? If that is the case I would present the offer. Half a com is better than none and my vendor wants offers.

    If that is not what you were saying (I was a bit confused) then please rephrase and I will have another go!

    The above would have to be in a quiet market, in a hot market I would already have offers to present on my own, which as I previously mentioned is the kind of market when conjunctions seem more common.

    They are not illegal, but remember the agents are still all getting paid parts of the sale commission (THE VENDORS MONEY) which means they are all in effect selling agents, not buyers agents in the true sense. Good sales agents hate splitting their coms and see those other agents who go around attempting conjunctions as leaches. It makes for a toxic relationship. This is why I never wanted to go that way and became an independent BA instead. It is so much clearer as Richard said, if you get paid by your client only, then you know who you work for and (I) can sleep at night.

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    Yes you completely understood correct, that is what I meant. I understand your view but also believe the point of any agents is to close deals in a professional, legal manner. Clients on both sides walking away with what they want (house for buyer, Cash for seller) agents get paid regardless. So I see both as applicable depending on market and Property climate.

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