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  • Waynel
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    Hi there,

    I was hoping to get some advice. I’m going through a challenging time in my life where my wife wants a divorce.
    We have two kids and a PPOR that I’ve put a lot of money and time into renovate. (When I met my wife I had two rentals which I sold to put $$ into this PPOR). The house is in a great coastal location, close to the school, shops and so on. It’s worth approx. $700k and we owe $380k.

    One option proposed is that we get the house valued and I pay her half of the profit (if we were to sell). This is my preferred option as the kids are settled in school and it’s a great house to bring them up in.

    Are there any brokers that could offer advise in this area? My concern is that the banks may deem that I’m unable to service the loan (even though I pay for everything at the moment – eg, bills, mortgage etc)

    These are the figures:
    My income: $87,500 p/yr (gross)
    PPOR: approx $700k
    Debt: $380k
    Two kids aged 3 & 4

    New loan required:
    $380k + $155k pay out
    Total: $535k

    If anyone feels this is possible it would be great to hear from you. I really don’t want to lose both the house and time with my kids.

    Thanks in advance,

    Wayne

    Profile photo of Kinnon BellKinnon Bell
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    Hi Wayne, I’m sorry to hear about your situation. On face value it looks like you should be able to service a ~$535k loan but there are a few other factors involved as well that may impact things so it’s difficult to give a definite yes or no. Do you have any other debts or credit cards?

    Kinnon Bell | Kinetic Funding
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    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi Wayne

    Get in touch with a decent broker to crunch the numbers for you to see what’s possible. Different lenders assess borrowing capacity differently – and a good broker will have access to most.

    A lot will come down to whether you have other liabilities.

    Cheers

    Jamie

    Jamie Moore | Pass Go Home Loans Pty Ltd
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    Profile photo of Corey BattCorey Batt
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    Unfortunately this is a type of scenario that I (and I’m sure a lot of brokers) get to deal with quite often. Your situation may be tight but your ability to service any payout will largely depend on the lender. Have a chat with a broker who can look at your scenario and provide you with options. In the meantime be sure to keep your payment history clean, a single missed payment on a mortgage in recent history can unravel some of the simplest deals.

    Corey Batt | Precision Funding
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    Waynel
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    Hi Guys,

    Thanks for the advice. At this stage the only other liability I have is a credit card ($2k limit with $1k owing).

    Corey – thanks for the tip re: clean payment history.

    The one thing I’m unsure on is maintenance. I believe I can provide a good life for my boys and would be fighting for at a minimum, half or up to full custody. If things don’t work my way and for some reason I have to pay maintenance do the banks allow for this in their calculations? (Eg, If we choose to settle assets prior to a decision being reached on maintenance will banks ignore this or factor an approx figure in?)

    Really appreciate the advice. Would hate to lose everything I’ve worked towards over the last decade…

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Yep – banks will want to know how much maintenance you pay.

    Cheers

    Jamie

    Jamie Moore | Pass Go Home Loans Pty Ltd
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    Waynel
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    Hi Jamie,

    Thanks for the reply. Yes, but if I re-mortgaged now prior to any decision on child maintenance costs (i believe this would be a court process that occurs at a later date) then would this cost not be factored in or would the banks question why the title is going into one name and preempted possibility of maintenance fees?

    Hope I’m making sense,

    Thanks

    Wayne

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    have you agreed upon a property split on this basis?

    Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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    Profile photo of Corey BattCorey Batt
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    If you refinance before an official maintenance figure they will factor full expenses for your children being covered by yourself.

    Corey Batt | Precision Funding
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    Waynel
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    Hi Terry,

    No – no property agreement has been made at this stage.

    Corey, thanks for the advise.

    Kinetic – you mentioned that on face value (with the above figures) I should be able to qualify for a loan. Was this factoring in full expenses for the kids?

    Thank you

    Wayne

    Profile photo of Kinnon BellKinnon Bell
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    Hi Wayne, yes, it was based on you having 2 dependents. Maintenance was not factored in as that is an unknown at the moment as custody of the children has not been arranged. But, in any eventuality your children will always remain as dependents.

    If I can second any of the above comments it’s to keep your repayment history clean. Some may suggest during a divorce that you should stop paying your commitments. If you want to give yourself the best chance possible at a loan, keep paying everything on time. Also, get in contact with one of the brokers and have an in depth discussion as it’s very difficult to say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ with the limited information given as there’s a lot of variables that come in to play.

    Kinnon Bell | Kinetic Funding
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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Wayne, you will probably find the spouse will want more than you want to give. Even if sshe doesnt initially once friends start talking things change.

    You will also need to consider the stamp duty implications. In most states you may be exempt on a transfer on breakdown of a marriage, but may need a court order or otherwise need to convince the commissioner of duties.

    Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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    Waynel
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    Kinetic – once again thanks for the reply. Yes, agree with the loan repayments – I will continue to pay the full mortgage as I have done in the past.

    I think my next step is to get a valuation done to confirm the exact loan amount required. Would the best approach be to engage three real estate agents and take the average or pay a certified valuer?

    Terry – yes, understand. Put it this way, I’ll be doing everything I can to ensure the best outcome for the kids.

    Thanks guys

    Wayne

    Waynel
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    Hi Again,

    Additional to the above, does a guarantor help in regards to serviceability? Eg, if my parents went guarantor on the loan. (I highly doubt they will though was a thought that crossed my mind)

    cheers

    Wayne

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Hi Again,

    Additional to the above, does a guarantor help in regards to serviceability? Eg, if my parents went guarantor on the loan. (I highly doubt they will though was a thought that crossed my mind)

    cheers

    Wayne

    Generally lenders won’t allow an income guarantor. Security guarantee is more common – using the parents property as security.

    Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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