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  • Profile photo of CherylLeongCherylLeong
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    Hi all, my business partners and I have on option to purchase 3 acres of land for the purposes of subdivision. The land will cost us $3mil to purchase. Our current funds are tied up in another project at the moment so don’t have the immediate funds to purchase. We are in the fortunate position where we have a project builder (Buyer) who is willing to purchase all our subdivided blocks. The Buyer’s first preference is to buy under option. Will this be sufficient to obtain traditional finance and considered pre-sales? Alternatively, if we were to consider vendor finance, how would this normally be set up? I understand the concept but on a practical sense have never done one before.

    Any thoughts and suggestions welcome.

    Many thanks
    Cheryl

    Profile photo of Rhys AdamsRhys Adams
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    Hi Cheryl

    There are a number of unknowns here so will try answer some questions in general terms:

    Will the sale to the builder be considered presales for traditional funding? Generally no, the list of conditions for a sale to “qualify” for “traditional” funding is usually a couple of pages long. To quote directly from a Terms Sheet of one of the major banks – “No purchaser to acquire more than two units without our prior written consent”. This was obviously for a unit development but you get the idea – qualifying presales are typically limited to 2 per buyer to minimise settlement risk.

    To structure with vendor finance the seller the seller will need a decent equity position in the property. Your debt funder will require 1st mortgage security over the property meaning the vendor will need to have sufficient equity to enable the repayment of their mortgagee with the funds you are able to raise. Without seeing a feasibility or knowing if and how the subdivision is planned to be staged it is hard to say what fudning will be availble from the 1st mortgagee but typically it won’t be much.

    The vendor can then secure their position by a second mortgage which I can go on and on about the next round of challenges there. We have funded a few subdivisions in this structure but through “private” funders, not cheap but do take a commercial view on these funding arrangements.

    Let me know if you have any more questions.

    Cheers
    Rhys

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    Profile photo of Adrian CahillAdrian Cahill
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    Great stuff, love reading the comment. Thanks for sharing! Something a lot of us can learn from.

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    Here since 2002, however things have evolved over the years.

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    An option only gives the person an equitable interest in the land. The land cannot be mortgaged, unless by the owner. What about a JV with the owner of the land.

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    Profile photo of Rhys AdamsRhys Adams
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    Hi Terry

    My comments re granting of mortgages were based on the exercise of the option and subsequent settlement and transfer of title.

    Cheers
    Rhys

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    Hi Terry

    My comments re granting of mortgages were based on the exercise of the option and subsequent settlement and transfer of title.

    Cheers
    Rhys

    Yes no problem, I hadn’t even read your reply and wasn’t referring to it in my post, but that makes sense.

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    CharlieX
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    I also have a 5 acres project that the owners are investigating to do subdivision, between 30 to 40 homes. several developers have approached the owners to buy the property, which at the moment is about $5M. Base on limited investigations so far, the owners could easily clear that $5M in profit if they develop the property themselves.

    so the difficulty is how to find funds to do the subdivision. anyone here can help or point in the right direction?

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Why can’t the current owners raise it on the security of the property itself.

    Just do it as a Nodoc Short Term Business Loan. I am assuming their is some value in the present site.

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    CharlieX
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    Richard,
    several real estate agents have said the property could be sold between $4M to $6M. if so, then I think there is at least $4M of equity. The six owners are siblings and bought the property more than fifteen years ago, now the siblings have their own spouses and most don’t live there anymore, so they are looking to subdivide the property. One of my goal is to investigate finance for this project for them. It is a bit confusion at the moment, as their former mortgage company classified as a residential mortgage and now the mortgage has been bought by Pepper and Pepper has classified as a commercial mortgage. from my brief scan, also the paperwork on the property has been messed up by the mortgage company, as well as the City Council. Only two siblings have their names on the mortgage papers yet the mortgage has six splits (one to each owner), and papers at the City Council shows four owners on the Title/Rates. Any ideas on how to get these screw-ups fixed, before can get the property finance?

    Why does it has to be a business loan (No Doc Short Term)? and what exactly is that No Doc Short Term business loan, as I have yet to be in the mortgage industry?

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Doesn’t have to be Nodoc if your clients can service the loan they can borrow against the existing property security.

    Would be a matter of their Solicitor correcting the Title / Mortgage documents before they move forward.

    Seems to be a fairly straight forward deal if these matters can be overcome.

    Cheers

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    CharlieX
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    Richard,
    when you said “property security” do you mean the title ownership of the property or the equity of the property?

    say the balance of the mortgage is $500k, if the owners just get the paperwork done correctly with the lawyer, could they now refinance the property for $500k on the now low interest rate without any docs?

    or they could refinance the property to 80% LVR or $3.6M with low doc, so they can do the subdivision with the extra money?

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Only two siblings have their names on the mortgage papers yet the mortgage has six splits (one to each own

    You need to look at the certificate of title. Rates notices have limited room and maybe all 6 owners won’t fit in. The loan may be in one name but all others may have guaranteed it.

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    CharlieX
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    terryw,
    once I am able to write loans, I will have to sit them all down to understand the story. sounds complicated to get refinance or for development?

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