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  • Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    How would you set-up the loan for your 1st IP to avoid cross cat?

    We owe nothing on our PPOR and were going to use the equity in it for a deposit and have the other 1/2 put in an offset account.

    Split loan – one for deposit against PPOR
    – One for the IP loan

    With an offset account sitting in the middle helping reduce Interest repayments on both loans

    Thoughts?

    Never borrow to put in an offset account. This is very dangerous as it could ruin the deductibility of interest.

    Use a LOC on the PPOR, borrow only to invest.
    Set up an IO loan on the investment property and attach a offset account to this. All wages and rents into here.

    Take the 23% from the LOC and borrow 80% on the IP = 103%

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    Take the 23% from the LOC and borrow 80% on the IP = 103%

    ….ok but you have now cross colateralised his loan…..isn’t this what everyone is saying not to do?

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    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Terryw wrote:</div>
    Take the 23% from the LOC and borrow 80% on the IP = 103%

    ….ok but you have now cross colateralised his loan…..isn’t this what everyone is saying not to do?

    No crossing here.
    LOC secured against PPOR
    IO loan secured against IP

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    No x-coll in the structure Terry has suggested, it’s essentially how I structure all deals like this.

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    Can i have 2 offset accounts
    1. for the PPOR where the deposit of IP will be along with the other portion of equity, so im reducing the P&I from repayments
    2. The IP will have its own offset IO loan where rent goes into and expenses for IP only come out
    ?

    Dont like the idea of LOC and what I’ve read with the bank “owning” the funds/properties

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    Not a good set up.

    1. What do you mean the deposit of the IP will be in the offset? if you borrow to park into an offset you run the risk of destroying the deductibility of interest. If you are saving a saving a deposit in the offset then you are wasting deductions as you will be using cash for an IP while you still have non deductible debt

    Why would you want an offset account on an IP while you still have non deductible debt? You would be throwing money away by doing this.

    Please elaborate on the last sentence.

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    USING THE 240k in Equity against PPOR @ 80%
    120k deposit for IP
    120k in offset account to use for next IP purchase
    This would be linked to PPOR LOAN

    another offset account to put rent into, or can rent go directly on IP loan without needing another account?
    If so setup will remain as above

    Hope this clears it up?

    THE funds in the offset account will be refinanced for 2nd IP and a 3rd IP loan setup to avoid x coll

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Still not clear.

    Sounds like you are borrowing $240 secured against the PPOR and will then place this in an offset account = Not good.

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    Yes somewhat.

    Borrowing 120k as deposit for IP and 120k that will be in an offset account linked to PPOR and to draw on if need be and use in 6-12months on 2nd IP. This is coming from using the equity in our PPOR that is paid off and has zero $ owing

    Does this kind of make me pay more essentially for a 240k loan rather than 120k and should use a LOC?

    Hmmm why would it be setup this way apart from reducing PPOR interest??

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    You are borrowing now to invest in a savings account. later you will invest. This breaks the direct connection between the borrowing and the production of assessable income. you might still be able to argue the interest is deductible as you can trace the borrowings.

    But if you put $1 or more of cash into that offset account it will be a mixed loan and you will have to apportion the interest.

    This is why a LOC is better – it can be set up now but you then borrow to invest at the time of the investment by just transferring the money then.

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    The offset will be linked to PPOR deposit/loan as this is not deductible anyway. The funds in the offset account will be used for next IP and a seperate loan will be created for the 2nd IP as this will still be included as the PPOR loan now being lets say 200k against PPOR loan

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    The offset will be linked to PPOR deposit/loan as this is not deductible anyway. The funds in the offset account will be used for next IP and a seperate loan will be created for the 2nd IP as this will still be included as the PPOR loan now being lets say 200k against PPOR loan

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    My advice is don’t do this.

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