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Hi all,
First off, great forum. Looks to be a wealth of knowledge. I'm looking at purchasing my first PPOR and entering into the market.
I've gather a deposit and have assistance from a third party and considering options for capitalising LMI into the loan. We've been in discussions with the third party about utilising a limited guarantee, however, from discussions with our lendor it doesn't decrease with the loan amount – something which has off-put the third party (please tell me if this is wrong as I would love to confirm!).
My main query is calculating exact repayments for our desired loan amount. In my understanding, stamp is payable upfront – within defined time from settlement. This amount is taken straight from the deposit amount upon doing calculations (see below). Is this correct?
I realise some lendors may capitalise stamp duty but only if there is releasable security on the side. Is anyone able to shed some light on what potential situations this may happen and confirm the calculations below are correct it would be greatly appreciated!
600k Loan /w LMI Calc
Deposit (and Gift) = 95,000
Stamp = 31,784
Less deposit = 95 – 31,784
Less legal = 1500
= 61,716 DEPOSIT LEFT
New loan amount = 538,284 (Purchase – Remaining Deposit)
LVR = Loan amount / Purchase price = 89%
LMI % for 0.89 ratio = 1.75% of loan amt
LMI=9419(Round up to 10k)
LMI capitalised into new loan amount = 548,284
Repayments=533,484 @ 4.88% for 30 years Monthly IOnly = 2229.69
Repayments=533,484 @ 4.88% for 30 years Monthly P+I = 2903.23
650k LMI CALC
Deposit (and Gift) = 95,000
Stamp = 34,784
Less deposit = 95 – 31,784
= 60,216 DEPOSIT LEFT
New loan amount = 589784 (Purchase – Remaining Deposit)
LVR = Loan amount / Purchase price = 90%
LMI % for 90 ratio = 2.65% of loan amt
LMI=15,629
LMI capitalised into new loan amount = 605,413
Repayments=605,413 @ 4.88% for 30 years Monthly IOnly = 2462
Repayments=605,413 @ 4.88% for 30 years Monthly P+I = 3205
Notes:
4.88% is the rate negotiated with the lendor
LMI % was taken from the following page
Legal fees are excluded from the second example due to error (I'm aware)
Stamp duty taken from VIC SRO
Aware there is 40% stamp duty concession for FHO. Calculating worse case scenarios.
Hi Alphrz.
The only thing i noticed is that the LMI looks to be a little low…
Check out the table on this page: http://www.homeloanexperts.com.au/lenders-mortgage-insurance/lmi-premium-rates/
and that will show you a much higher LMI based on your numbers, id just be careful with that… there are different companies that provide LMI so the amounts can vary alot, but go get a quoted on it from your proposed lender.
Or speak to a broker about which lender will suite your needs.
Most lenders capitalise the LMI
The rest of the calculations looks pretty good.
Check out http://www.loansource.com.au and enter your details into the comprehensive calculator, go into the 'breakdown' section and everything will be calculated for you, you can also compare 2-5 different loan scenarios side by side to see how how they play out.
Hope that helps !
Micky
The LMI will differ depending on lenders and insurers.
Cheers
Jamie
Jamie Moore | Pass Go Home Loans Pty Ltd
http://www.passgo.com.au
Email Me | Phone MeMortgage Broker assisting clients Australia wide Email: [email protected]
I noticed you mentioned gift as part of your deposit. What is the size of the gift compared to the remaining deposit, as most lenders require 5% in genuine savings over 3 months when borrowing above 85% LVR?
Cheers
Tom
Thank you all for the great response!
I was utilising the LMI rates provided by the lendors page when doing rough calculations. I realise they are very much subject to change depending on which insurer the lendor goes with. I'll re-evaluate with the posted rates to give a better idea worse case scenario.
Does anybody know under what circumstances lendors will capitalise stamp duty under? A limited guarentor? A certain specified amount of collateral?
You'd need to cross up another property in order to get the stamps funded too.
If this is your first home then I guess it would have to be a family guarantee whereby they take the folks property as security.
Personally – I'm not a big fan of family guarantees if the deal can be done without one.
Cheers
Jamie
Jamie Moore | Pass Go Home Loans Pty Ltd
http://www.passgo.com.au
Email Me | Phone MeMortgage Broker assisting clients Australia wide Email: [email protected]
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