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    Hi im Brand new to this site. Its pretty hard to find a good positively geared property. I have recently been looking at Student Apartments they have a good rental return. has anyone brought one before and if so was it easy to sell if u have tried and did u make a smal capital gain. Whilst rentl income is more important if it came to selling a capital gain would also be a deire  as well

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi and welcome aboard.

    Student accommodation rarely makes for a good investment – especially if you're searching for capital growth. On the surface, the rental yields may appear strong but high holding costs can quickly erode those returns.

    Banks aren't a huge fan of them either – you'll require a large deposit to get the deal done.

    All in all, they're not my favorite IP type – but some people do buy them.

    Cheers

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    Hi Jamie  please forgive my ignorence what are High holding costs?

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    Property management fees can be quite high.

    Cheers

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    Student accommodation  will only be purchased by investor. There is a massive oversupply of this type of product and a reduction in the number of students coming to Australia.

    They are a terrible investment. They have no growth and can go backwards in value and you are looking at only one market.

    There are much better investments around

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    Hi Scott,

      Welcome, and well done for asking the question.   A major part of "due diligence" is in asking questions and finding answers to questions that are "hidden" or not usually outlined during the purchase of a property.   i.e. Looking for the exit even before you buy, financing the deal, gathering input for a SWOT analysis, Council codes, demographics, etc.

      A friend was badly tripped up some years back – "oh yes, we'll give you finance up to $xyz to purchase that property" (the property would have grossed a 15% Rent Return).  He went ahead, won the auction, and then couldn't settle – "Oh no, we couldn't give you a loan since you are renting to students!"   The lenders knew of that upfront and nothing adverse was mentioned, but pulled the rug out once the deal was done.   Maybe the one saying "Yes" was a keen adviser wanting to meet a quota for the month ???  The REAL decision maker pulled the pin – knowing of such "hidden details" is part of due diligence.   So, if a lender says "Yes", be SURE it really is a yes before you commit.  Get the terms in writing as part of a Loan Approval document.

      Back to your situation – in what area are you looking?   Major Aust city?  Are you looking at just one apartment in a block, or a suite of 4 or 6 in the one building? 

      If you now have some doubts re "student accommodation", is there another area of Property investing that is of interest to you?  If you still wish to have a closer look, do add more information re your specific circs – others might be able to add value from past experience in that area (both good and bad). 

     Re the "Capital Growth" part of your question, do think long and hard about the old adage – "You make your money when you BUY, not when you sell".  To that end, how can you generate your own Capital Growth in the area you are thinking of?   Are you buying to renovate (thus adding value), or buying new (and paying the developer his 20% as part of the asking price)?   …another one to think long and hard over…..   ;)

      Let us know what you think – we may be able to assist you further as you go.  

    Benny 

     

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    Thanks So Much Benny and Others. Appreciate the encoragement. The property I was looking at was in Macleoud which is 25 mins from  Melb CBD. it was 1 bedroom apartments for 89-95000 return in rent was about 210 a week. Whilst to me Te high rental return is a major beneficial factor and something that is quite possibly more important then the capital gain I have been put off/more educated by the comments on here and some other places that have remindered me that u can only sell to a investor if you do wish to sell and that quite often u do make a loss when you sell. It does concern me that u could keep the house 10 yrs for example make 4000 a yr and then sell after 10 yrs make a 10,000capital loss and then u hve only made 3000 a yr. The  good news is I am not in a massive hurry to buy so I can take a bit more time continouue to investigate. My current wage is about 70000 a yr and Incurrently owe about 175000 on my house loan(PPOR) its worth about 320000 so I have a little equity.

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    If you are looking at Melbourne, there is an over-supply of student apt accomodation in my opinion. There are makor issues in finance for accomodation, as well as issues such as Jan-Feb when students head off overseas.

    In Melb, look at any suburban area where there is a Uni, say Burwood, Chadstone, Bundoora apart from the CBD, there is a heap of accomodation 'available' for students, without knowing the vacancy rate, that should provide enough of a 'concern' not to proceed and consider another option (as mentioned by Nigel above)

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    Hi everyone, so glad to come into this conversation (after a lengthy absence) as i've seen an apartment in Bundoora that really caught my attention for the following reasons:

    reasonably cheap (about $250-260K), secure parking space, low maintenance fees, good rent ($320 p/w) and accessible to both students non-student market; tram at door (straight to Melbourne CBD) and extensive shopping facilities very close by. 

    That the unit comes fully furnished/fully equipped (ideal for students!) is also attractive because of the additional depreciation items. Although the building is 11 years old, I have just seen newer units that are smaller and very poorly built, yet more expensive but no better rents. Were I to buy it at $240K – if the offer were accepted – I would be getting a good discount. Or would I ??

    On the face of it, an affordable investment. HOWEVER! although the R/E agents assure me Bundoora is a suburb "on the rise", the unit in question (and others, I've noticed) has been on the market for some time… My research reveals a higher than ideal vacancy rate above 5-6 % in Bundoora, but information is conflicting and the agent assures me the vacancy in that building is closer to 1-2%. Coincidence? What does it all mean?? Of course one cannot rely on what the agents say, yet a lot of it makes sense: development is evident, shopping centres are being built nearby, transport is good with Plenty Road a direct link to the airport and other major areas.

    My daughter has just rented a unit in the building (she'll be a student at La Trobe) so I can vouch for all of the above, and NO, I would not buy it so she can rent it. If I did, she would do so via the agent – this is a business investment, after all. 

    Any thoughts on whether this would a good proposition would be welcome.

    Also, anyone with information about the state of investments in Bundoora, please let me know.

    Cheers,

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