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  • Profile photo of darkness72darkness72
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    I have a question regarding deductability / claim negative gearing.

    Scenario as follows:

    Bank advises they will not provide 10% deposit for auction.

    Purchase an investment property at Auction, – lets say 600k

    I pay with my own funds (redrawing funds from my PPOR home loan) the Deposit – 10% 60k

    At settlement the bank investment loan commences for 600k – remaining 540k to the vendor.

    The other 60k the bank places back into my PPOR.

    Would the tax office deem the funds / loan as mixed – and rule that I cannot claim against the 60k portion??

    I rang the ATO and they said no over the ph, ?? just hope they dont change their minds…

    Regards…..

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    You're using cash for the deposit so won't be deductible.

    Try using a deposit bond for the deposit.

    p.s – sounds like these loans could be crossed.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of darkness72darkness72
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    Thanks for the advice,

    Goes to show – speaking to the ATO over the ph – they're not always right, would want it in writing

    Good news – The bank has come through with a deposit loan – so no mixing – woohoo

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    darkness72 wrote:
    Thanks for the advice,

    Goes to show – speaking to the ATO over the ph – they're not always right, would want it in writing

    Good news – The bank has come through with a deposit loan – so no mixing – woohoo

    ATO phone people are rarely correct!

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    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Terryw wrote:
    darkness72 wrote:
    Thanks for the advice,

    Goes to show – speaking to the ATO over the ph – they're not always right, would want it in writing

    Good news – The bank has come through with a deposit loan – so no mixing – woohoo

    ATO phone people are rarely correct!

    It's scary isn't it.

    You wait up to an hour on hold to be given incorrect information.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    What is more scary is that you can speak to 2 different people at the ATO and get 2 separate answers.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    darkness72 wrote:

    Purchase an investment property at Auction, – lets say 600k

    I pay with my own funds (redrawing funds from my PPOR home loan) the Deposit – 10% 60k

    At settlement the bank investment loan commences for 600k – remaining 540k to the vendor.

    The other 60k the bank places back into my PPOR.

       If you redraw $60k from PPOR loan and use this to pay the deposit then that portion of PPOR loan interest is deductible. It is the order in which it is done that matters. PS This website editor does not work with Internet Explorer which is why I don't bother posting here any more.

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    2 issues here

    1. You cannot reimburse yourself

    2. Part of the loan will be not deductible as a result, ending with a mixed purpose loan.

    There is a simple solution. Borrow the $60k from someone else, properly document it, and then refinance this loan. Needs to be done properly.

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    Profile photo of Colin RiceColin Rice
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    Qlds007 wrote:
    What is more scary is that you can speak to 2 different people at the ATO and get 2 separate answers.

    That sounds like the same as talking to the banks cheeky

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    No Colin i said 2 separate answers from 2 separate people not 6 separate answers from the same 2 people lol.

    Cheers

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    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    FMS wrote:
    Qlds007 wrote:
    What is more scary is that you can speak to 2 different people at the ATO and get 2 separate answers.

    That sounds like the same as talking to the banks cheeky

    Ahhh geeze. I had a cracker of a day last week.

    Credit told me that a certain scenario was doable – "yeah, no worries. It's a deal – not a problem. Put it up." So I submit the deal – get a call from the assessor two days later – "sorry, we can't approve it – it doesn't meet our policy." So after a day of politely explaining the structure/scenario and the advice already provided by credit – they overturned their decision and granted formal approval…..so all in all, I gained a couple of premature grey hairs for nothing :-(

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of Colin RiceColin Rice
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    Jamie M wrote:
    FMS wrote:
    Qlds007 wrote:
     So after a day of politely explaining the structure/scenario and the advice already provided by credit – they overturned their decision and granted formal approval…..so all in all, I gained a couple of premature grey hairs for nothing :-(

    It always pays to be polite and patient with the bank staff even when everything with in you wants to do otherwise!!!

    Colin Rice | CDR Finance
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