All Topics / Help Needed! / Advice for complete newbies please
Hi everyone!
We had some good news recently my father has secured his job after months and months of his department restructuring.. and he's finally in a position to consider an investment property! Which is something he's wanted to do over the last 10 years but always dismissed the idea as he couldn't take the risk borrowing capital against our only house (We're a family of 6 so 4 kids).
Basically we don't know where to start and have discussed many different ideas but the general idea is to have me rent the property off him as I would be a permanent tenant/steady income which elimates the risk involved with losing a tenant as well as many other headaches.
Now he's a payg earner or something pays nearly 30k in tax and has never been able to claim a dime (besides a laptop every now and then) but the laws with super recently changed he can access it on his own not to mention contribute himself and has 120k in there which he wants to use to invest with as opposed to the risk/interest rates of taking up another mortgage. Although realistically he can borrow up to 230k he says and negatively gear but we want to take up a little mortgage as possible….of course!
Now we have no idea where to begin. Brainstorming earlier we have Option 1.
At first we were talking houses in the 250-350k price range (narre warren,pakenham, baxter, style suburb and anywhere that will appreciate which is the priority!) . So this would involve negatively gearing (as we only have the120-150k capital up front). The rent I can afford to pay him per week would be no more than $300-$320 til the day he wants to sell it, I also have a 15k deposit i'm handing him to secure the mortgage incase anything happens with my income. Looking at units they're around at least $250k-$280k and a comparitive house isn't much more (280k-320k) and then there's strata fees and other things so we're not really sure what the best approach is here. We believe units are more a low maintenance thing? But I'm handy as is half of the family so it might be better in our situation to buy an old home and renovate it as opposed to a nice fresh unit. We renovated our current house and added tonnes of value so we have the experience in that department. Also seeing a house isn't much more in the first place and doesn't bear strata fees I don't see why we'd buy a unit over a house with the exception the low/no maintanence? Some of these homes are 3 bedrooms also units only 1/2 bedrooms so we could rent the rooms out later down the track with a house also. My mates parents have 3 students in their investment property, all hiring rooms for $150 per week each, the property is getting $100 more return than it should because of this good management.
With option 2 I half seriously suggested he buy some land/a block outright with his super and my deposit and hopefully it appreciates in value over time, then after some talking he suggested put a kit home on it and I'll rent it out for $150 or something per week.
Although the idea sounds kind've farfetched, we realistically thought his super just sits there doing nothing currently when he could instead put it into a block of land (no real risk??) and just sell the block at a time the land is up in value, which is a lot better than the interest the super makes from remaining untouched. Then on top of that I'm handing him $150 a week positively geared! So it sounds pretty good like that. There's also maybe the possibility of turning the land into a block of units down the track or adding a townhouse and while on that topic our family has plenty of renovating experience under the belt so there's potential to gain capital there too!
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on these ideas or on what you would do if you were in this situation. The main worry is risk and return! And after being so careful for so long our entire lives we don't want to do anything foolish! Any advice would be greatly greatly appreciated!
Hi Telecaster
As Nigel mentioned firstly welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your time with us.
Certainly good to hear that your father has secure employment going forward especially in uncertain times of employment.
There are a avenues for him to consider depending on the entity he decides to us.
I have to say however i would not recommend buying vacant land in his Super and placing a kit home on the property as i think there are many more secure ways of creating a
retirement income.
Would certainly need more facts and figures to have a look at the numbers for him and make a couple of recommendations.
Whilst renting out room by room by appear to be a good short term return there are many issues in regards to lending, insurance that probably also need to be addressed.
Cheers
Yours in Finance
Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender
Telecaster wrote:Any advice would be greatly greatly appreciated!
Hmmmm… If you couldn't swim would you try and swim Sydney harbor? My guess is no. You would learn to swim and then train so that you had the ability to go the distance. You may even have a support crew.
So you know zip about investing let alone property investing but you want you and your dad to throw your/his life savings on a hair brained investment strategy you've dreamt up.
Here's a suggestion. Learn, learn, learn and then learn some more about property investing until you have the requisite knowledge to jump in the deep end without drowning. That may take a year or two. In the mean time property will still exist, deals will still exist and you and your money will still be together with a far greater chance that you will remain together for a considerable period of time hopefully.
The way things stand at the moment I'd put a bet on you and your dad will be separated from your/his money permanently within a very short period of time.
And the guys here… nice guys, very experienced, expert and knowledgeable but they have a pecuniary interest in you. That doesn't mean they'll take advantage of you but they aren't necessarily going to stop you walking off the proverbial financial cliff.
Sorry Freckle won't let you put Richard in such a bucket. Very focused on the best interests of his clients over and above his own interests.
Jacqui Middleton | Middleton Buyers Advocates
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JacM wrote:Sorry Freckle won't let you put Richard in such a bucket. Very focused on the best interests of his clients over and above his own interests.The industry pros provide good quality advice and technical expertise that addresses a prospect's financial capability or ability to invest and the best way forward to achieve that. What the industry pros don't do to the best of my knowledge is advise prospects not to invest because they lack the skill, knowledge or expertise etc to successfully achieve a positive outcome given the difficulty and complexity of current markets and economies.
In the main I don't have a problem with that because people are in the business to sell a service or product. The new investors need to understand that advice from industry sources will in the main be subjective.
I see way too many newbies coming here who are being encouraged into getting their feet wet before they're competent enough to understand the implications of their decisions. This particular thread is a case in point. There are people out there regardless of their financial capability who should never invest in property because they will never develop the acumen required to successfully manage a property or heaven forbid a portfolio. My landlord is the proverbial case study that exemplifies that point. She's a prime example of the PI who will, regardless of assistance, constantly fail and unfortunately will impoverish herself over the next decade at the current rate.
She's lost by my estimate approximately $150k on 2 properties over the last 6 years. She's now sold both and the one I'm in has been sold to another dumb as a chook PI who's paid too much for it ($25-30k) in a declining market with no CG potential for some time and which is invariably negatively geared.
The industry spruiks the benefits and potential of property investing but I rarely see the the downside or suitability factor addressed comprehensively. The over riding message to all is that you have the potential and ability to successfully invest in property even when it's evident that many do not.
As I said, Richard is most definitely not in that bucket. Not everyone is in it exclusively for the money (or needs the money for that matter). People who genuinely enjoy helping others are not completely extinct yet. I have seen Richard put the brakes on people who are not suited for, or not ready for becoming a landlord, explained why to them, and helped them understand what actions they need to undertake in order to make it possible, if indeed that is the path they desire.
Cheers
Jacqui Middleton | Middleton Buyers Advocates
http://www.middletonbuyersadvocates.com.au
Email Me | Phone MeVIC Buyers' Agents for investors, home buyers & SMSFs.
JacM wrote:As I said, Richard is most definitely not in that bucket. Not everyone is in it exclusively for the money (or needs the money for that matter). People who genuinely enjoy helping others are not completely extinct yet. I have seen Richard put the brakes on people who are not suited for, or not ready for becoming a landlord, explained why to them, and helped them understand what actions they need to undertake in order to make it possible, if indeed that is the path they desire.Cheers
Relieved to hear it. I'm confident Richard will be advising this newby and others visiting this place to go away and come back when they've developed the ability to invest with at least half a chance of success.
Richard aside I've always found the money motivation thing somewhat of a croc. Those that claim money doesn't motivate them are deluding themselves and others. While it may not be the only factor it is almost always a cornerstone feature of the motivational profile. Remove it and motivation drops like a stone. If it wasn't such an important motivator we'd have far more philanthropic activity than we do.
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