Orlando Florida

Rubbish!! Florida was smashed. It was one of the worst performing states of all. It is the least resilient of all. And when the next correction comes along it will do exactly the same thing.

Do you two actually research stuff before spruiking an area or is off the top of your head kinda stuff. Whatever it is I'm astounded at the lack of professionalism you two constantly exhibit. You must think people are complete idiots if you think they'll swallow whatever it is you guys pass off as expert commentary.

Click the graph for many more…..

Florida was in trouble before the GFC

Is this a bottom like the Jun 09 bottom above..

Moody's think FL might be one of the slowest States to recover… it's recovery to date seems to support that contention at this point.

I wonder where freckle gets all his graphs from? Either way the signs don’t look too good. I understand they are open to interpretation but for someone wanting to invest in Florida it sure would scare the hell out of them. Too risky in my books.

It’s a bit like what shahin said you guys work together and high 5 each other in the same post. Not a good look.

I may post crap but I know for a fact it’s not going to burn anyone. I don’t sell I just comment.

We’ll have to agree to disagree.

I’ll be the first to admit i know bugger all in regards to investing in USA, but when you’re asked to produce hard core evidence that the market is on the rise, which you haven’t, it’s hard to believe it’s getting any better. Stand in my shoes and watch the debate between you and freckle. Who would you believe. I’m not calling you a crook but your not convincing me Florida is any good.

You've lost me?? What's the point of your incessant Florida, Texas, Orlando posts all about then. Just chit chat to pass the time of day? 

You must think we're idiots. Your motives stick out like a sore thumb. You and your associate playing forum tag all based around a pecuniary interest in your own markets. You guys bang on about nothing other than what serves your personal interests.

I could tolerate it better if I thought you two actually new what you were talking about.

First lets clarify. I never said the world was coming to an end. I said human civilisation maybe entering a NTE event according to some scientific research.

Again you are intellectually unable to grasp the problem so I'll ilucidate for you. If I put 10 fish in a pond they will eventually die once they've depleted their resources. If I put 20 sheep in a 100 acre paddock they will eventually deplete their resources. The speed will be determined by population growth. It's a simple model. My wife even understands it and she's blonde. 

Human civilisation is at the end point of its practical ability to sustain itself without a substantial shift to sustainable lifestyles and economic systems. GDP is simply a measure of our ability to convert living ecosystems to dead material things and the need for perpetual growth ensures we will consume ourselves to death in a finite world. Exponential growth within finite systems is a well proven impossibility yet many persist with this economic model. By around 2050 we will need 3 earth systems to sustain the projected population. Given that we haven't got those resources our demise is a mathematical certainty. The only questions that remain are how and when? 

Theoretically there are solutions but they are untenable. We would need to shed 50% of humanity now to even have a hope of getting things back under control. But we are psychologically unable to accept the inevitable. It's in our programming. You are an example of humanities inability to accept its own demise. 

There are signs of systemic failure everywhere as a our ecosystems start to labor under the ever increasing load. The US is in the grip of a drought unseen for 800 years. There is concern in the US like there was here in Australia that it may be decades before this drought breaks. Midwest aridation as occurred in the 1930's is a serious concern for them as well as the economic consequences drought brings and the associated spike in food prices.

There is a growing body of opinion that the die is now cast while others still believe we have a chance to correct our current self destructive course. Your response simply reinforces the opinion that the die is most likely cast and that by the time humanity realises the extent of the problem the opportunity to turn things around will have passed.

The difference between you and I is that I accept that we have a problem and choose to take action to mitigate it. You on the other hand belittle the problem in your ignorance and carry on as if the essential resources of life are infinite. 

My approach means there's nothing to loose. Yours ensures we eventually loose everything.

A fact is a simple statement that everyone believes. It is innocent, unless found guilty. A hypothesis is a novel suggestion that no one wants to believe. It is guilty, until found effective.

Edward Teller