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Hi Guys.
I just purchased my first IP a few weeks back and wanted to get a check to see i have my loan sitting the best way possible.
I have a split loan, 50% on a 3 year fixed loan and 50% on a variable rate.
I only placed down a 10% deposit and also have about 40K sitting in the variable offset account.
This means that around an extra $190/month pays off the principle rather than being paid off to interest.
The way i see it is that i build equity in my house quicker as im not paying as much interest.
BUT because im not paying as much interest i wont be able to deduct as much come tax time.
Just wanted to check if what i am doing is the most logical thing, or should i not be using the offset and allowing a bitter tax deduction.
I also plan to purchase another IP within the next 18 months so will be pulling the money out of the offset.
Looking for any advice,
Cheers,
Luke
Do you have a PPOR home loan or other non deductible debt? If so put your cash in the offset attached to this, or you will be paying higher interest which isn't deductible.
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Do what Terry has stated plus go IO.
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Shahin
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No, i still live at home with my parents so do not have any other debts
Hi Thorpe
Are you planning on buying a PPOR at some point down the track?
If so, you really don't want to pay down the principle on your current tax deductible debt if there's a chance you'll have a non-deductible PPOR debt in the future.
IO loans with an offset provide for maximum flexibility in the future. One of the only times when it's not an ideal option is if you're bad with money and will be tempted to simply make the minimum interest repayments each month and not drop any savings into your offset account. In that case, P&I is a forced savings mechanism.
Cheers
Jamie
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Thanks for that Jamie.
I do plan on buying a PPOR one day down the track (not too sure when though)
I am a fairly good saver so i will be putting a fair amount of money into the offset account
If i do move to an interest only loan, how long do people usually have the interest only period for?
And since i have a split loan, is there such a thing as a fixed loan interst only?
Thanks,
Luke
Hi Luke
Interest only loans can be set up for various terms depending on the lender – 5 years is quite normal. Some will go up to 15.
Most investors roll over to another IO period once the existing expires.
Sounds like IO with offset is the way to go for you.
Cheers
Jamie
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Thanks Jamie.
So when would an investor pay off the principle?
And im assuming this method would be best when the property gains capital growth, otherwise you wont have any equity within the loan/
Luke
Hi Luke
Usually when the only debt they have left is IP related – then they might start paying it off.
Cheers
Jamie
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I generally favour not paying down a loan, even if you don't have any non deductible debt. (unless you are tempted to spend and then you probably should).
Building up cash in the offset will have the same interest saving effect, but it will allow you the option of using this money later if you ever do buy a PPOR or upgrade a PPOR or wish to buy other non deductible items.
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Thanks Jamie & Terry.
How will this affect my borrowing capacity though since it would mean i have a large amount of debt?
thorpef1 wrote:Thanks Jamie & Terry.How will this affect my borrowing capacity though since it would mean i have a large amount of debt?
Yes it may effect your borrowing capacity. If things are tight you can always just pay down the loan when required – the flexibility is still there.
Also keeping your loan interest only may assist with borrowing capacity as your monthly repayments will be lower.
Plan ahead.
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Yep, agree with Terry – interest only repayments can enhance your borrowing capacity with some lenders as they take into account the actual monthly repayments.
Cheers
Jamie
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thorpef1 wrote:Thanks again guys.So if i move to interest only this will be positively geared (it will put about $100/month in my pocket after all expenses, BEFORE tax) wish my current offset amount
Before i ring my bank up and get them to switch it over to IO, is there anything that i need to be worried about.
I will be constantly topping up the offset account so no worries there, anything else i should consider before making the switch?
Thanks,
Luke
Might as well ask them for a discount while you are at it. I’d go for IO as long as possible – prob 5 years.
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Hi There
Whats the difference with between an offset Account and Line of Credit?
Also Thorpef1 dont get caught out and get a Redraw account
100% offset accounts are the most attractive offset option. These accounts earn you interest equal to the interest you’re paying on your home loan. The interest that you’re earning on your savings is offset against the interest you’re paying on your loan. Many loan products offer access to your funds via a Visa card which can be used to pay bills, while your funds remain untouched in your account earning interest
Redraw facilities enable you to deposit any spare income you have directly into your home loan account. You can then redraw from the loan any funds that are in excess of your regular repayments. In terms of interest savings, a redraw facility has much the same effect as a 100% offset account.
If a 100% offset account and a redraw facility have the same outcome in terms of savings, what are the advantages of one over the other? Because offset accounts are essentially savings accounts and operate as such, you‘ll have easy access to your funds. Most come with an ATM, EFTPOS and cheque access, some offer phone banking and some even have a credit card.
Transaction fees may be charged in the same manner as a standard savings account, but most lenders will waive transaction charges on offset accounts altogether. Ideally, you can arrange to have all of your salary paid directly into the offset account. This ensures that any income not spent is being used to reduce the balance of your loan. While receiving the interest savings you have peace of mind in knowing that you can access your funds at any time.
Some institutions will limit you to as few as two redraws per year. Others will charge you up to $50 per withdrawal. Look for a redraw facility that provides you with maximum flexibility at minimum cost.
Be sure to find out exactly how the loan’s redraw facility operates before you sign up, because they’re not all the same. A 100% offset account will be a more attractive option than a restrictive or expensive redraw facility if you’re intending to use the account for day-to-day transactions.
Thanks again guys.
So if i move to interest only this will be positively geared (it will put about $100/month in my pocket after all expenses, BEFORE tax) with my current offset amount
Before i ring my bank up and get them to switch it over to IO, is there anything that i need to be worried about.
I will be constantly topping up the offset account so no worries there, anything else i should consider before making the switch?
Thanks,
Luke
The main difference is the tax consequences.
I would only ever recommend a LOC for using equity built up in a property to be used as deposit and for costs of a further investment.
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Hi Jotham.
Thanks for that detailed explanation above.
I will be using the offset facility as i will have another transaction account/credit card that i will use for my day to day expenses.
But thanks for raising some of the issues of a redraw account
No worries
Also is it true that an offset account works effectively well when enough money is in the account earning you interest to be saving you interest?
Hi Jamie & Terry.
Last night i thought to myself:
"How do you build equity in a property if it is IO"
Say in 10 years time i am still IO, i will still owe the whole amount of the purchase price and would have paid all this interest (holding costs)
Say for example i have 3 IP's that are all IO.
I wouldnt actually have any equity in them apart from my 10% deposit.
Is there something that i am missing?
Thanks,
Luke
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