Hey guys! I am 22 and I don't have any IP at the moment, but saved over $200,000 and i am ready to make my first purchases in 2013! After 2 years of procrastinating, i am finally ready to put my goal of being financial independent and free into action! I want to do everything correct from the beginning, so later down the track my mistakes will not bite me in the ars. I made a plan of steps which i will be following, before going to agents and ask to be on they 'hot list'. Any suggestions for better approach or steps that i missed completely? My goal is to set up all legal stuff at this stage
1.0 According to Steve setting up an company trust with me as the director is ideal, when borrowing loan from banks.My question is can i set it up using an online services, which i think would be cheaper compared to using accountant?
2.0 lets assume that my structuring is set up right, my next step is ask mortgage broker how much i can borrow? and shop around for interest rate- (beware of advertised rates vs effective rate)
3.0 lets assume i can take up a loan of $??? and payment made wkly and set up MISA and set a budget $350,000-550,000 for IP
4.0 i am looking for the outcome- passive income of 300-500 wkly, 2-4 bedroom in Sydney cbd outta suburb preferable south coast, looking for big land 700sq +
5.0 creating relationship with agents in those area to be on hotlist and tell them my situation etc
6.0 do the maths using 1% rule and see if it is positive if so, future diligence research etc
1. Is it ideal for you? You need to speak with a professional about this before jumping in to a complex structure that may or may not benefit you. If you decide to set up a trust, don't do it online.
2. Don't shop on rate. Rate is one of the less important aspects of a loan for investors.
3. Not quite sure what the question is. MISA is a bit of a pain.
4. Ok.
5. That's a good approach.
6. Ok.
As a general comment, I wouldn't drop $200k into your first deal. This is a lot of money that can be leveraged further. If you're planning on buying a PPOR at some point then I'd definitely avoid using such a cash massive deposit on an IP.
Hey Jamie thanks for the quick reply and all your suggestions are appreciated ! When i turned 20 i really thought about my future, so from then on i been reading Steve's books and property mags wished i was one of those people in the mag talking about they positive property portfolio lol Now, i kinda grasp some of theory behind Steve's strategy, but it is so hard to apply it! lol
1. I think everyone's goal on this forum aims to get enough passive income, so they don't have to work and becoming financially free in the future. So yeah answering your question above, i think it is ideal for me, as i want to own enough property to live on passive income. Also, If i ever want to get married and then get divorced, i guess this structure can protect my assets lol ( i am female if your wondering)
2. ok, if rates is not as important, then what is?
-I am only 22yrs old, so i don't want a PROR anything soon. My plan is to buy PROR with my future partner and get married and have kids maybe when i am 30 so that is another 8 yrs away from now lol. i am happy with renting inner sydney city apartment, so owning my own PROR is not my agenda yet
– so maybe with $200k i can potentially buy up to 2-3 IP? if the price range i am look at is 250-350k lP outta Sydney
– it sounds like you don't think that structure suit me? can you explain why you think that? any suggestion is appreciated
You really need legal advice when setting up complex structures. I spoke to one guy who set his trust up online. Not only was he unable to claim any interest it would have cost more than $5k to fix plus possibly stamp duty again.
No sense in setting up a trust if there is little to no asset protection planning in there. You can also do some additional strategies because of your large sum of money. This needs extra protecting.
Finance structuring for the trust needs addressing too. Personal guarantees, who is director, shareholder, trustee, appointor, named beneficiaries etc. Get it wrong and you can lose control of your trust and also be required to provide unnecessary guarantees.
1. Definitely to use the $200k upfront in one go. Set yourself a long term goal and determine how much to use. Particularly with those loan amount – the LMI is not going to be overly high. So if the plan is to go to 95% LVR go hard and go early.
2. There are excellent buys in the $250k range in a lot of areas that are close to neutrally geared. Make sure you do your cashflow numbers and see how much you will be out of pocket.
3. Plan a strategy for your portfolio – this may include a combination of strong cashflow properties and development sites.
2. ok, if rates is not as important, then what is?
Ability to access equity for future purchases is a big one.
What's the point of using a no frills type lender who's going to save you $20 per month on loan repayments but not be willing to allow you to access equity for you next IP purchase? Sure you've saved a few dollars in the short term – but you've also lost the opportunity to purchase your next IP which may cost you more in the long run.
I have lots of clients come to me wanting to purchase an IP but their no frills, on-line lender with the super competitive rate are no longer conducive to their needs.
Good job on saving so much money at your age. I recommend you not to invest all money in one property and just use these money to invest in multiple properties.
I agree……. its just logical to have more properties if you can afford the depoists on them. Imagine having one IP paid off and recieving $200 cashflow a week or 4 properties breaking even but growing by 5 or 10% pa. You may not be able to access the money unless you sell but you will be making a better profit. Plus the more properties you get the easier it all gets. Cheaper conveyancing, property management fees etc.
Hi well done on saving such a large amount so early in your life.
Like most of the advice I would caution anyone about using online services to set up any sort of structure themselves (trust, company etc) unless they are a trained accountant or really understand what they are doing. If you set it up in-correctly any mistakes you make have the potential to cost you greatly through tax implications later on so it is reccommended to go through a good accountant for this.
Hi well done on saving such a large amount so early in your life.
Like most of the advice I would caution anyone about using online services to set up any sort of structure themselves (trust, company etc) unless they are a trained accountant or really understand what they are doing. If you set it up in-correctly any mistakes you make have the potential to cost you greatly through tax implications later on so it is reccommended to go through a good accountant for this.
Good luck.
I would recommend a lawyer over an accountant because a trust is a legal relationship between various parties. for example what is the nature of the powers of appointment, the powers of the trustee, the rights of beneficiaries etc. An accountant wouldn’t know and couldn’t advise on this. There are also serious asset protection implications for the way it is set up and who should take what roles and how these roles should be structured. again only a lawyer can advise on this.
After 2 years of procrastinating, i am finally ready to put my goal of being financial independent and free into action! I want to do everything correct from the beginning, so later down the track my mistakes will not bite me in the arse.
I wouldn't call spending two years at your age procrastination. It sounds more like you have been setting yourself up and have reached the position you are now in through diligence and hard work rather than procrastination.
Making sure 'everything is correct from the beginning' is admirable but trying to be perfect can be a big hand brake on your plans. That is not to say be foolish and reckless, rather to let you know that you will probably make mistakes along the way. Just try and keep them to a minimum.
I would be interested in what your goal for 'financial independence' really looks like. Later in your post you talk about a passive income. Do you see your whole portfolio being cashflow positive? combined with growth property/ies? some more advanced strategies (renos, subdivisions, developments, and so on).
The question I am asking is what will your portfolio look like when you have finished accumulating property and how will you use your properties to be financially independent?
lsta5487 wrote:
I made a plan of steps which i will be following, before going to agents and ask to be on they 'hot list'. Any suggestions for better approach or steps that i missed completely?
You may end up having all sorts of rubbish thrown at you. There are a great many agents who would not know a good investment property if it bit them on the proverbial. In my opinion a better approach would be to find agents (even consider a Buyers Agent) who are also property investors and have a lengthy chat with each of them. From these discussions you should be able to identify one you can work with and they can become your preferred agent.
Then tell them what parameters you have for your property and work from there. Mind you a word of caution, by law the agent is required to represent the best interests of the vendor and not you.
lsta5487 wrote:
lets assume that my structuring is set up right, my next step is ask mortgage broker how much i can borrow? and shop around for interest rate- (beware of advertised rates vs effective rate)
When talking to your broker and talk about step 2. Mortgage rates are only a small part of the bigger picture – it is more important to get loan structuring right from the beginning. Ask you broker how they will set up your loans for property number 2 and then 3 and so on. This will give you a pretty good idea of whether or not they are going to be able to work with you over the long haul.
lsta5487 wrote:
i am looking for the outcome- passive income of 300-500 wkly, 2-4 bedroom in Sydney cbd outta suburb preferable south coast, looking for big land 700sq +
Is this figure net or gross?
lsta5487 wrote:
creating relationship with agents in those area to be on hotlist and tell them my situation etc
See my previous points about hot lists and agents. make sure you know what a 'hot' property looks like – this is where a scaffold or framework of your overall plan is invaluable. .
Thanks everyone for giving me advises! I love this forum
Ok from what i gathered i should consult with an lawyer or accountant regards to setting up trust. Any recommendations??
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Thanks everyone for giving me advises! I love this forum Ok from what i gathered i should consult with an lawyer or accountant regards to setting up trust. Any recommendations??