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i viewed a commercial property in Wollongong where 20% of rent was needed to pay the rates.
Yes but when one rents commercial properties don't the tenants pay all outgoings (rates etc)?
JacM wrote:Not to rub salt into the wound, but it's been said for some time that investing in the tourism sector is dangerous. Perhaps don't buy another one in the area!"They" say don't invest in Tourism towns, don't invest in mining towns, don't invest in regional towns, don't invest in inner city apartments……and the list goes on……..at the end of the day – do as much research as you can, try to make the most informed decision you can, and then back your decision. If you feel the risk is higher in a location but still want to invest there, make sure you've diversified so if it does hit the fan there, you don't lose your whole cart.
Back on topic though – it's definitely the services portion of the rates bill that is causing the increase in Cairns. Many areas of Cairns are suffering reductions in the unimproved land values over the last few years – so if the rates were based on that alone we should see rates reducing, and that definitely aint happening.
Rates are going to increase every where and by double digits per year…
Federal and state government have cut down on local funding and the cost of councils have increased.
– Waste cost have increased
– cleaning cost have increased
– wages for various jobs in the council have increased.
So the only way to maintain a sustainable business is to increase the cost…
I know a few people in the Caroline springs area and there rates have increased to point where they would rather sell their IP then keep it.
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Maybe double digits is a slight exaggeration
Brisbane's average residential rates bill will rise 3.8 per cent under Brisbane City Council's 2013-14 budget, lifting it by 88 cents a week or $45.60 a year.
The increase is lower than last year's 4.5 per cent rise but above Brisbane's consumer price index, measured at 2.1 per cent in the March 2013 quarter.
In saying this it never amazes me to see certain well know Buyers Agents putting clients into Cairns where the Council Rates take up 20%.
We place a lot of clients into residential investment properties thru our Buyers Agency arm and are very particular about the sort of property we put clients into.
High Body Corporate fees or excessive Council Rates need to factored in.
Course for some agents / investment advisers that is the last thing they look at as the investment doesn't look so attractive on paper if they mention that.
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Nice post Taylor, full of accurate facts
Yes I also thought double digits was an exaggeration. None of mine went up by a factor involving double digits.
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Depends, Melton shire council increased rates by a total of 12.9% (9.3% increase in Waste and 3.3 on normal rates)… Double digits
Murrunidi council increased by 8%
Pallara at 7.58 per cent (QLD)
Bayside 5.5%
Monash (VIC) 6% increase on rates and 2.5% increase on waste
Geelong 4.4
North Sydney Council Rates increase. by 12.34% –
It does happen
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That is only 2 suburbs nationwide. Not “everywhere and by double digits per year”
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Excuse me for being late to this thread but having some knowledge of the Cairns rating structure there would appear to be a good deal of misinformation. Cairns rates are not unusual and typically in line with most Queensland cities. Rates in Cairns have increased by about 4 %– 5% p.a. in recent years which again is probably typical and not unusual.
“I have an IP in Cairns and have just received my Council rates notice. It appears to be 2.3% of the worth of the IP. Is this right?”
“Am I missing something?”
Most residential units in Cairns pay the minimum general rate which was $788 p.a. in FY 2013. My guess is we are talking about a cheaper unit with 2.3% implying a value of about $90K. Cheaper units in a sense are disadvantaged by the minimum rate structure and by paying an equivalent amount for such as garbage and sewerage servics as larger houses. Again this applies in almost all Qld councils.
“I have. All of them. They still haven't indicated on what basis (and why) they've calculated the rates the way that they have. Absolutely appalling!”
For a residential unit your rates notice will include “General Residential K”. Next to that is a number. That number is the site land value attributed to your unit on which the general rate is calculated IF it exceeds the minimum rate.
Note that for a strata unit the valuation will be the site land valuation for the entire block split between units according to the body corporate schedule. If you think your valuation is anomalous the first thing you should check is the strata schedule. The valuation comes from the Qld Valuer-General which all councils are required to use for general rates.
Additional service charges are Water Access $232 p.a; Sewage $696 p.a; Garbage $333 p.a. This results in a total minimum rate of $2,051 p.a. This is comparable with other Qld councils and lower than the rates on an equivalent unit in Townsville. There was also a state fire levy on the rates notice. Also note that Cairns is among the few larger Qld councils that do not charge higher general rates for IP than for PPOR.
The Cairns economy is now recovering quite well after a rough patch post GFC and is more diversified than some imagine. Cairns Council has among the lowest relative debt levels in Qld and management efficiency is comparable with other councils. Valuations for unit land have fallen and units paying above the minimum rate have experienced a fall in general rates.
In short, your rates are comparable with other Qld centres and not anomalous at all. The apparently high proportion is likely a function of the minimum rate structure and a currently low property valuation. Rental vacancy rates in Cairns are now quite low and cheaper units also generally achieve high gross yields.
Wow. Talk about choking on holding costs. Regardless of whether that is the QLD standard or not, that is a high percentage. Council rates on my properties are at 0.33% and no body corporate.
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Freckle wrote:Population density is the determining factor. Cairns is small so cost effectiveness is nothing like bigger towns and cities.EG: Pop density
Cairns 250.9/km²
Newcastle 1103/km²
Melbourne 1567/km²
Well spotted Freckle!
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