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Hi All,
I have been to quite a few viewings over the last few weeks and I have been interested in making offers on a few properties. However, most of the agents required me to put down a deposit and sign a contract to make the offer. I am not against putting down the deposit as I will get it back if there is no sale, but do I really need to sign the contract before I can make an offer?
Thanks.
What the? Which state are you in?
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Shahin
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I am in Sydney. I have just re-read my previous post. When I said that they asked me to sign a contract I mean they asked me to sign the "contract of sale" + a deposit so that I could lodge my offer.
I am in Sydney. I have just re-read my previous post. When I said that they asked me to sign a contract I mean they asked me to sign the "contract of sale" + a deposit so that I could lodge my offer.
Hi David
As Terry says, there is no requirement for a Contract to be signed to make an offer in NSW. I suggest you submit a written offer to the Agent and explain to her/him that you understand Agents are required to submit all offers to the owner. This approach should help the Agent understand you know the rules concerning offers – and to ease up on the BS
Cheers, Paul
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Its not necessary to make a formal offer, but it is a sales technique to lock you in and to present to the vendor that they have 'found a buyer'.
Remember if the other side gets a hold of this contract it would be legally enforceable against you. I wouldn't sign until getting a lawyer to review it either.
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Hi Mate,
I understood what you meant – I just couldn't believe the agent told you that.
As a side note do you know that you need to do a building and pest inspection and also have your solicitor/conveyancer review the contract?
You can certainly do this in the cooling off period but you will lose your deposit if the B & P Inspection comes back with a huge problem. It depends on where you are buying and what type of property you are buying. Just be mindful of that.
Regards
Shahin
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Thanks everyone for your help, I have a better understanding of this. Most of the agents that I have spoken to are using this as a sales technique.
Some agents can be absolutely ruthless and will try and will try to persuade the buyer into signing the contract by any means.
I've had a lot of agents in NSW offering clients 5 day cooling off periods recently – which is hardly enough time to get anything done. Unless it's a sub 80% lend and there's no valuation required, chances are it's going to take a bit longer to get formal finance approval. You also need to get your building/pest inspections carried out – check over the strata minutes (if applicable), go over the contract with your legal person and perform any other final DD checks.
Cheers
Jamie
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No you do not have to sign a contract of sale to make an offer. Even when someone gets to the stage of signing a contract of sale, they'd pay a holding deposit of maybe $100 or $500 or something, certainly not a deposit the size of something like 10% of the sale price. Be very careful. Choose a good property lawyer that can respond to reading through a contract of sale within a couple of hours.
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So when do you pay the 10% deposit? On both the occasions that I have bought property I have managed to negotiated a 5% deposit and had paid it at the time of exchanging contracts. Are you saying that you do not have to pay the deposit on exchange? If not when?
The large deposit (10% or 5%) is paid upon exchange.
Cheers
Jamie
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That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.
Normally it goes like this:
Make an offer, whether it be verbal, via email, or written on a piece of paper and handed to the agent.
If offer accepted, get the agent to insert your special conditions into the contract and give you a copy (a scanned and emailed copy is fine). One such condition can be "A deposit of AUD$4000.00 is payable with 21 business days".
Get your property lawyer to look over it and give you the thumbs up
You and the vendor both sign. Be sure that the bit that says "this offer invalid if not accepted within x days" specifies a suitably short space of time (I always do 1 day) so the risk of someone else coming in and taking the property from your control is minimized.
Once you have both signed, you would hand over a holding deposit such as $500 to the agent and get a receipt for it.
You then immediately give a copy of the signed contract to your mortgage broker (or bank if you are going direct) and also to your property lawyer. Scanned copies are fine.
You then work your way through your special conditions, such as getting building and pest inspections. Your lawyer will assume that if you do not contact him/her to announce you need more time for a certain condition, or wish to pull out due to a certain condition… that you are happy with everything. Silence is considered to be "that condition is fine and ticked off."
When you get your finance approval, you would provide a copy of the approval letter to your property lawyer.
Within 21 days you need to have paid the balance of the $4k deposit (so if you already handed over $500, you hand over the remaining $3500) to the agent. Again, get a receipt. Scan the receipts in and send them to your lawyer together with an explanation that you have paid the deposit.
Stay in contact with your lawyer and be sure when you are both clear that the contract has "gone unconditional". At this point you cannot get out of it. Then there is not much else to do except sit around and wait for settlement. Except of course ensuring that any further monies towards the deposit and stamp duty that the mortgage provider will not cover, are either paid into your property lawyer's trust account, or that you are in regular contact with your property lawyer from around 2 weeks before settlement, finding out the exact plan of how that outstanding money will be paid. Quite often it is you scurrying around the day before settlement getting a bunch of bank cheques ready.
Does this help you?
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Thanks that helps me very much!
Which area of Sydney are you looking at?
Regards
Shahin
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JacM wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying, yes.Normally it goes like this:
Make an offer, whether it be verbal, via email, or written on a piece of paper and handed to the agent.
If offer accepted, get the agent to insert your special conditions into the contract and give you a copy (a scanned and emailed copy is fine). One such condition can be "A deposit of AUD$4000.00 is payable with 21 business days".
Jac,
Agents cannot insert clauses in contracts. These are legal documents and can only be drafted by lawyers/Conveyancers. In NSW agents are only allowed to fill in the area in the box on the front page – names addresses, price, inclusions etc
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I guess technically they do not add conditions to the contract… technically they probably do it like this:
Print contract of sale document and my page of conditions
Scan it all in
Email to me
I show it to my lawyer before signing
I've done three this way, there has never been an issue… My special conditions are always on an independant page.
Is there any issue you see with this Terry?
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JacM wrote:I guess technically they do not add conditions to the contract… technically they probably do it like this:Print contract of sale document and my page of conditions
Scan it all in
Email to me
I show it to my lawyer before signing
I've done three this way, there has never been an issue… My special conditions are always on an independant page.
Is there any issue you see with this Terry?
As long as they are not drafting or amending the contract. You are just showing them additional conditions which you want incorporated. Usually the solicitor would add them to the contract or first send them to the vendor’s solicitor and say these are the proposed changed, do you accept?
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I'm looking at Parramatta and surrounding suburbs.
Mainly Harris Park, Granville and Merrylands.
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