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There is only one type – bankruptcy!
If you become bankrupt this generally lasts 3 years. It can be extended if you do not cooperate with the trustee in bankrupcy or try to hide assets etc. Once this period is over you are discharged.
During bankruptcy you can often negotiate an annulment. This is often done by making an offer to creditors to give them some money in exchange for annulment. Money obviously comes from relatives etc as all your money will be seized. If your bankruptcy is annuled you are let out of bankruptcy which is better than being discharge.
Ramifications. Extremely hard to get finance while bankrupt and not much easier after being discharged. You cannot go overseas during bankruptcy without permission and you will lose various licences such as fin planning, mortgage broking, real estate, security clearances for govt jobs etc.
Bankruptcy will stay on your credit file for 8 years and you will often be asked "have you ever been bankrupt?" on various application forms.
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Yes, but there is always hope of an annulment if they can conjure up some money.
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Terryw wrote:Yes, but there is always hope of an annulment if they can conjure up some money.Like this?
I dont' know if annullment means void from the begining or not. If it did it would be like the bankruptcy never happened.
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You may need to see the Pope to get that annulment Terry.
Re getting finance – its hard to give you decisive answer without looking at the whole situation/application. Essentially, you either need to look at a specialist lender which will charge you a higher interest rate of 9's% and a set up fee of about 1.5% of the loan amount. or you can look at a mainstream lender but this is much tougher. Depending on the strength of the application and how long you have been discharged – you may be able to go onto the loan as a guarantor (if you want to jump on the title) but you will need to have a second applicant (say your wife) service the entire loan without using your income. Getting through a specialist lender will be much easier but more expensive.
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Thanks Shahin, I am looking at doing at vf a property to sell and have had quite a few applicants that have been bankrupt and of course have been looking at how they would stack up for a bank loan in the years to come. One guy has two years left to run out of his 8 but everything else looks great, while another is still undischarged, but has great income. After the above comments looking like the undischarged would be a very long process to get financed out.
Hi can you give me some idea's of theses special finanace lenders are shahn.
Thanks Murray
Pepper and Resimac are my favourites when it comes to specialist lenders.
Here is the website for Pepper – it will give you a load of good info:
http://www.pepperonline.com.au/ProductsAndServices/FlexiAdvantage
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Hi gags
I've been told that it's illegal to give an undischarged bankrupt credit. I don't know if this is factually correct but we've always taken it as correct. This has left us with the option of selling the undischarged bankrupt a property with a Lease/Option (not a credit contract) but, the time involved to have the bankruptcy disappear off the credit report is just too long for us.
We've often sold with Instalment Contracts to discharged bankrupts and, overall, it's worked out well, i.e. we found their default rate to be the same as everybody else.
Cheers, Paul
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Great to know Paul, I was looking at a lease option on the property anyway. I suppose if they are still undischarged you have to wait 5 years from when they are discharged for it to be off there record. How have you found it getting finance for people that are discharged to finace them out of your properties? Is it just a case of larger deposits or much more complicated than that?
Adding on…
If you have good banking records for 24 month and you have been discharged from bankruptcy for at least 24 month, i know Westpac is happy to lend up to 90% as i done 2 loans with them only in the last 6 month for discharge bankruptcy…
Specialized lenders like Pepper, Resimac, Perpetual etc…has a special product for 1 day discharged bankruptcy- rates starts from 8.85%!!!! LVR restricted to under 80%.
A majority of banks won't touch discharge bankruptcy….
But there are still a handful that would consider up to 80% depending on how long the bankruptcy has been discharged for and the reason for the bankruptcy – ie AMP bank, Credit unions, CBA etc..each bank has different tolerance level and LVR.
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PaulDobson wrote:Hi gagsI've been told that it's illegal to give an undischarged bankrupt credit. I don't know if this is factually correct but we've always taken it as correct. This has left us with the option of selling the undischarged bankrupt a property with a Lease/Option (not a credit contract) but, the time involved to have the bankruptcy disappear off the credit report is just too long for us.
We've often sold with Instalment Contracts to discharged bankrupts and, overall, it's worked out well, i.e. we found their default rate to be the same as everybody else.
Cheers, Paul
As far as I know this is not correct. There is nothing to stop a bankrupt borrowing as long as they declare it.
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I think there is kind of 2 types of Bankruptcy , there is Part IX Debt agreement and the full on Bankruptcy .
I am involved with the first one and the restrictions are almost the same except I can leave the country and dont loose my house and so on .
Saying that I am not sure the main difference when I go for a finance , I am sure I may have a easier time to obtain finance but its still on my files for 4 yrs ( I think )
Please inform me if I am wrong
thanks guys
As far as I know there are two types of bankruptcy: voluntary and involuntary. I am not sure if it is the answer you are looking for , but you can read further about it at http://www.lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch03s03.php.
Hi gags
It's just a personal opinion but I won't sell to someone, using any form of VF, until they're discharged. Of all the mistakes we've made since we started in this business, the one that always comes back to bite us the most is rushing the choice of your buyer. It's natural because you have holding costs but the grief it causes down the road easily surpasses these holding costs. The voice of hard earned experience
Cheers, Paul
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Thanks everyone for the comments, getting my head round it now, wise words of wisdom there Paul I will take your advice, as hard as it is to want to rush in and get someone in there. Does anyone know what the set time is for it to stay on your record after you have been discharged?
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