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  • Profile photo of Investor samInvestor sam
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    Hi guys and girls,

    I would like to eventually purchase a second property and start getting into the game but I am unsure on the best way to do so. Here is my situation, I currently own a house which I am living in and renovating, I bought the house for $350k and now the loan is down to $315k, I was wondering whether using my equity and purchasing a property IO and renting it out would be a good option? or waiting and paying off my loan a bit more before doing so? Any help to get to that next step is appreciated.

    Thank you,

    Sam

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    Hi Sam

    Difficult to comment without all of the other financial information but assuming you have no cash funds i think you will be limited to what equity you can access.

    Most lenders will limit your equity release to 90% of their valuation so depending on whether the renovation has added much in the way of increased value will determine what you can and cannot get out of the deal.

    Realistically for an IP you are going to need 10% of the purchase price plus your acqusition costs so on a $350K purchase price probably need around $50,000 in accessible funds.

    Who is the current lender ?

    This will determine who they use for valuation and the likelyhood of squeezing out some extra funds.

    If you do have cash i would be looking to pay down the current PPOR loan and taking out a new sub loan to 90% of the lenders valuation. You want to maximise your deductible debt.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of M.InvestigatorM.Investigator
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    hey investor sam,

    Congratulations on going down the road of investing in your second investment property.

    Do you have any cash saved up or were you keen to only use your equity?

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    Good for you!

    I prefer to pay of the loan, but that's just me. i don't like the idea of pending loans, I'd rather have it out of the way. 

    Cheers!

    Profile photo of Investor samInvestor sam
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    Hi guys,

    Thanks for your quick response. To answer your questions my loan is through the commonwealth bank, and I was hoping to use my equity and a bit of savings to purchase the IP. Sorry I don't understand what you mean by taking out a new sub loan? 

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi Sam

    It's a second loan set up against your current property. For example, just say your current property is worth $400k and you were able to access equity up to 90% of its value, you'd have the following set-up:

    Loan 1: $315k (current loan)

    Loan 2: $45k (this is the equity release or sub loan)

    The $45k would then be used to fund the deposit/costs on your next IP purchase.

    If you are using cash towards the purchase, then it may be worthwhile paying down some of your current loan with the cash – and then re-borrow.

    To provide an example, just say you were going to use $20k cash towards the deal. You could pay it off your current loan and then re-borrow so your set-up would look like this:

    Loan 1: $295k (current loan minus $20k you've just paid off)

    Loan 2: $65k (this is the equity release or sub loan)

    Why would you do this? Because the $65k would be tax deductible. If you simply used $20k of your own cash and $45k in equity, only the $45k would be deductible, the $20k savings wouldn't be.

    It wouldn't be a bad idea to get a decent broker to set this up for your properly – Richard who's already responded to your post would be able to sort this out for you.

    Hope that helps.

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of Investor samInvestor sam
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    Hi guys,

    Thanks for clearing that up for me Jamie, so would you suggest that buying an investment property and having it IO is a good idea? To try and have the rent paying for a majority of the interest? I'm just trying to get an idea on how most investors afford their second property, whether its just there large wage that allows them to afford the loan or they just pay off a lot of there first IP and use the large amount of equity to purchase it?

    Sam

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    Hi Sam

    Yes definitely you want to go IO especially if you have non deductible PPOR debt.

    Issue of course would be the CBA serviceability model is a shocker and you will struggle to get CBA to agree to go to a 90% lvr without a defined purpose. 'Future investment' wont wash with CBA these days.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Investor sam wrote:
    I'm just trying to get an idea on how most investors afford their second property, whether its just there large wage that allows them to afford the loan or they just pay off a lot of there first IP and use the large amount of equity to purchase it?

    A nice income can help but careful loan structuring, IP's that aren't negatively geared by heaps, low credit card limits and little or no consumer debt can all help with servicing.

    I've got plenty of clients on what would be considered reasonably low incomes who have a number of IPs under their belt – they're just strategic in their approach and mindful of their longer term goals.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of Investor samInvestor sam
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    Hi,

    I am contemplating fixing a percentage of my PPOR loan which will lower my repayments slightly but still allow me to put extra money on my variable and be able to redraw from that.  Will doing this affect me aquiring a sub loan?

    Sam

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    Hi Sam,

    A fixed loan won't get in the way with whether or not you can service another loan. Your plan of fixing a portion and leaving some variable is usually a pretty good strategy. Fixed rates are low at the moment when compared with the past 10 years, so the odds are in your favour!

    The guys above are giving you some pretty  strong advice! Particularly about CBA being difficult with servicability and cash out!

    James

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    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi Sam

    Personally, I'd extract that equity before fixing a portion of your loan.

    You don't want to fix now and then find out that the bank you're with won't allow you to access equity for whatever reason.

    You also need to be careful about PPOR loans and redraw – there could be taxation implications here.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of Investor samInvestor sam
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    Hi,

    Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it.

    By the sounds of it the CBA  are going to make it difficult for me.  I will organize an appointment and find out how much they will lend me and organize an evaluation and go from there.

    Thanks again,

    sam

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi again Sam

    Chances are they'll have no idea about what you're aiming to do – it sounds harsh but it's a reality in most branches.

    Richard Taylor who responded above will be able to set this up properly for you and you won't have to worry about the branch staff making a mess of your loans.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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