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Just today I was discussing (over email) with my mother in law about how I wouldn't mind borrowing her copy of Steve McKnight's 0-130 properties…. This was her response:
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Are you sure you want them ?
They aren’t the best and we’ve read them already, proved to be as useless.
I can tell you his whole story.
He goes back years and years ago when it was very easy to make money in real estate. He made his wealth buying properties out in the country and they were always properties where the mortgage repayments were equal to or less than the monthly loan repayment. He NEVER bought a property where the rent couldn’t pay the mortgage off.
Now that worked well a decade ago when you could do that, it isn’t applicable in today’s market .. and now he just makes bucket loads of money buying his books and attending his seminars while he tells stories about the ‘dark ages’.
He is NOT up to date with today’s market and he’s out of touch with how to make money in ‘today’s real estate market’.
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I am sure many people who have read the book may feel the same way, however I am optimistic and feel as though there is still a way to break into the market (as that is what I am trying to do).
Does anyone have their thoughts on her comments or ways in which it still is possible to do what Steve has done.
P.S. I would love if Steve could respond (if you are out there lurking!!)
I am pretty sure Steve is still doing exactly what he was doing back then… just not in Australia
Possible. I think you would need a very large income, a lot of rural properties with 11%+ yields and a lot of determination/passion.
Tony Fleming | Triumphant Property Group
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santh wrote:He goes back years and years ago when it was very easy to make money in real estate. He made his wealth buying properties out in the country and they were always properties where the mortgage repayments were equal to or less than the monthly loan repayment. He NEVER bought a property where the rent couldn’t pay the mortgage off.
Now that worked well a decade ago when you could do that, it isn’t applicable in today’s market .. and now he just makes bucket loads of money buying his books and attending his seminars while he tells stories about the ‘dark ages’.
He is NOT up to date with today’s market and he’s out of touch with how to make money in ‘today’s real estate market’.
There are still properties throughout Australia where the mortgage repayments are equal to or less than the monthly loan repayment (even with the other expenses like council rates, insurance, etc).
Properties were cheaper back when Steve started investing, and prices may have gone up, but rents have gone up too and I still find a number of positive cashflow properties.
When I started, mind you, they were not very easy to find. However, once you figure out the patterns of where to look and how to look, you begin seeing that there are actually quite a number of them popping up regularly. Also, it does take time and effort to find and research positive cashflow properties in Australia, but they are there.
Part of your investing mission is to determine your comfort level. That is, what types/locations of property would you be comfortable investing in, and what kinds would keep you awake at night worrying about how that property would bury you if one factor changed. For instance, if there is only one employer in the town and that company moves out, how would that affect the population and thus your investment.
This is called understanding your risk profile and is extremely important. No point amassing a collection of properties and dying of a heartattack worrying about them
Jacqui Middleton | Middleton Buyers Advocates
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How amusing!
There are so many people out there who have said to me, or in front of me regarding Steve's books 'Oh you could never do that today'. Have they really tried to, nope. Have they gone and looked for property that has great cash flow, nope. Or maybe they have, you know in the centre of Sydney. 'Steve's book doesn't work!'
Lol. Of course it doesn't work if you don't try!
There is plenty of opportunity to make money from property Steve is showing how at the moment in USA. He's pretty much replicating the Ballarat deals in another country.
But even here in Oz there is plenty of CF+ property getting around, you just need to go and hunt for it. It's not going to come banging on your front door!
Keep your optimism santh, go buy the books if you have to (then you don't have to take on your MIL negativity) and go ahead with making your own way
Cheers
D
DWolfe | www.homestagers.com.au
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Email MeAgreed Wolfey… the surefire way to not move forward is to do nothing at all
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Look at Nathan Birch.. He appears to be well on the way to doing what Steve done and is doing it now.
Terryw | Structuring Lawyers Pty Ltd / Loan Structuring Pty Ltd
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I can quote you Engelo Rumora circa early 2011
He was in the phase where he realised that he needed to do something smart to get ahead .. and he did it.
If you think the getting and maintaining and creation of property wealth is all in the past .. he did most of his heavy stuff between the start of 2011 and now.
Thats recent .. and validates that the actual market doesnt matter .. there are always deals to be had .. and money to be made.
Just keep looking .. and know what your markets are.
With $40 000 in savings, Engelo bought his first property in February 2011 in the regional town of Mildura, Victoria. He has gone on to purchase a further 7 properties in Victoria, NSW and the US and has built a portfolio which is now worth over $1 000 000.
Go to his website.
At what LVR?
90% possibly??
Hi there,
Tell your mother in law I'm sorry she feels she wasted her money buying the book. She could recoup some of the cost by selling it on eBay. After all, there's not much point having it collect dust on her shelf, and someone else might be able to pick up some great tips in it.
The book was never about buying 130 properties in 3.5 years (although that is what I did), it was about the myths associated with property investing which is seeing people acquire under-perfoming property. I still see this happening as much, if not more, than when I wrote the book 8 years ago. It was also designed to show people how to use cash and cash flow real estate to become financially free. Clearly others could do it too as I regularly meet and receive thanks from people who have made significant amounts of wealth from following the techniques I have written about.
In regards to positive cash flow property… now is actually as good a time as any to acquire them because interest rates are sub 6%. Just remember that as rates go up again, then +ve will turn to neutral and eventually -ve.
Finally, please be so kind as to also let your mother in law know:
- Every cent of all royalties made from my books went to charity – over $1m and counting; and
- My property portfolio is generating just on $20k per month +ve cash flow now; and
- I don't do many seminars any more, but I still get bombarded with requests to help; and
- This website, which helps tens of thousands of investors and is free, is paid for entirely from my pocket.
I'm not looking for a Christmas or thank you card, just some respect and recognition for single handedly assisting a generation of Aussie investors wake up from the myth of negatively geared property.
– Steve
Steve McKnight | PropertyInvesting.com Pty Ltd | CEO
https://www.propertyinvesting.comSuccess comes from doing things differently
There were a lot of American Real Estate guys coming to Australia doing what Steve was doing in the 90's.
Then the Australian positive cash flow market dried up and now all the American's are replicating Steve's strategy but on their home soil.
Steve seems to be focused on the US market. Same strategy he used in Ballarat, but different part of the world.
I find it quite lazy and narrow minded for someone to dismiss that Steve is not up to date with today's market.
If you stop believing the negative gearing myth, stop believing what your bank manager and financial advisors are paid to tell you, stop believing all the crap that is written in today's paper, and opened your mind………..you may find that 0-130 properties is actually easier today than it was back in the 90's in Australia.
Hi Steve,
I certainly appreciate your website and all the knowledge I have gained from all the posts I have read over the past few months.
big Thanks from Dubstep. !
Agree with Dubstep! Keep up the good work Steve.. The majority of us appreciate it.
hope your missus never inherited your mother-in-laws qualities. hind sight is a wonderful thing, keep up the great work Steve.
I’m actually about to buy your book tonight. It’s worth a read and might pick up some tips or two
All I can say is that I've now become a property millionaire twice now .. once when I was also an entrepreneur in the early 90s when everyone else was pouting in high inflation, and lost in the dotcom boom and bust.
The prevaling wisdom after my first dive into debt and loss was that I was a licentious overspender and I was too much of a risk taker. Some elements of my family even rejected me as a 'gambler'.
I picked my burden up in 2002 gave myself no excuses .. and went back to doing what works.
I actually purchased the second of Steve's books .. first because my local library had all the other titles .. and the other reason is it had a couple of insights that I sort of knew .. but didnt quite know how to implement at the time. Even with a solid understanding of how property works .. respect other people's insights .. you just may learn something.
I stopped listening to the negative crowd a long long time ago. I surround myself with postive people .. run around creating good karma .. and dont let anyone tell me what i cant do. Because I do it .. i challenge myself when doing it, and I make sure that i continue to brighten my knowledge base to make sure all my decisions are either based on my experience or .. someone else's insights.
My mother had a stupid saying .. that the lightbulb had to WANT to be turned on .. before you saw its brightness. I hated it as a kid but as an adult it now makes sense. You cant MAKE people rich .. you cant make them challenge themselves or succeed .. unless they want to. And no book will make a difference .. no lecture .. no pamphlet … and no amount of money goals unless you have the will and effort to implement them.
And yet as soon as you do .. you will fly.
Thanks for all the responses (especially Steve).
I would agree that it will take a lot of time and effort to produce positive results. I just didn't want to commit if I was to be facing a losing battle.
I have Steve's book at home now and will hopefully start reading it soon. In the meantime I am just keeping an eye on property all over the state (WA)
xdrew i would love to hear a lot more about "what works" for you.
I will be hanging around on this website for sure (and thanks again Steve for creating it) as it is good to listen to what others are up to and the help they receive from all the gurus on here.
santh wrote:I would agree that it will take a lot of time and effort to produce positive results. I just didn't want to commit if I was to be facing a losing battle.
Hi Santh,
Recommend number 13 on the roulette table.
If you want something that works quickly – then Steve's book is not the right one for you. Mind you 'no' property book is either.
Sorry about the frivolous answer but – in my opinion no matter which path you choose to follow none of them is short. In fact if you are working towards a very short timeline you reduce the research factor, increase the risk factor and become more of a gambler.
Having said that the journey will be relatively slow to start with – it will gather momentum as you continue your journey. This happens because you get better and better at what you are doing, therefore increasing your strike rate.
Above all – it can be done.
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