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  • Profile photo of karlm63karlm63
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    Hi,
    I am concerned about my homeloan.
    It does not look like we are making any inroads into this loan after 6 years !!!!!!!!!
    The loan we have at present is a St George LOC homeloan with a credit card attached.
    Can you good people please explain what the difference between a LOC and a 100% offset account is.
    How does both loans work because I was under the impression from Margaret lomas's books that the LOC was better than a 100% offset account for a home / investment loans.
    Which is the better one of the two loans and why ?

    Thanks for the opinions and advice……..

    Thanks
    Cheers
    Deb and Karl

    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Hi Deb and Karl

    A line of credit is a type of loan.

    A 100% offset account is a feature of a loan. It's like a savings account attached to the loan. If you have a $10 loan and you place $1 in your offset account, then you only pay interest on $9.

    I'm not sure why Margaret Lomas recommends a LOC over a standard interest only loan. They are generally more expensive and usually an interest only loan with an offset will provide the same outcome (albeit at a lower rate).

    I enjoy the books from Lomas but her thoughts on IP financing can be baffling.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Many tax issues with LOCs. You should avoid them for general use and only use then to access equity for further investments.

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    I’m no expert in these matters but I’ve got 4 properties currently (1 PPOR & 3 IP) whereby I’ve taken loans (secured individually, no cross collateral) from couple of lending institute. I’ve recently re-valued my PPOR and another 2 IP to top-up 80% LVR for equity access. My PPOR is fully paid-up but I’ve taken 80% loan against its current value which is used to fund 20% and extra costs for investment property purchases (eg. stamp duty). This loan I refer to my “Invesment Loan” which acts as my LOC.

    I take up 80% loans for each of my IP and fund the balance amount from my “Investment Loan” until my IP grows to fund future IPs. I’ve taken the option of offset for each of my loans so that I can have the flexibility of moving extra available funds into the offset of the loan that has the highest interest rate currently. I keep track of these through a simple spreadsheet I’ve created.

    All my income comes into the offset of my “Investment Loan” whereby the funds are parked there until I need to make monthly interest payments for the other IP loans as well as my regular expenses like my credit cards / personal expenses. Keeping funds in offset ensures that I minimise the interest payment for the loans while having the flexibility to use the funds for personal use as & when required as I’m not drawing it down from the loan itself.

    Cheers’
    NM

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    Perfect structure NM. Can't get much better than that.

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    Profile photo of karlm63karlm63
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    Hey Terryw,
    I have no idea what NM is talking about.
    That is mumbo jumbo to me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Please explain

    All I know is I have a LOC St George home loan
    WE have had the loan for about 6 years and not much inroads into the loan
    Which is the better loan to have the 100% offset or the LOC for investment purposes
    Thanks again
    karlm

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    hi Karl

    A LOC is no good for a normal loan. In fact it can be very very bad if you were to use one on your home and to later rent it out.

    What is ideal is this:

    $100,000 home

    $80,000 loan. This can be IO or PI with 100% offset account. All rents and incomes go into this account.

    After your home grows in value:
    $200,000 home value
    original loan is $80,000
    now you can set up a LOC for $80,000

    You must never use this LOC unless it is for a new investment property.
     you buy a $100,000 IP
    Loan is $80,000 interest only with the remaining $20,000 and stamp duty etc costs coming from the LOC.

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    Thanks Terryw
    That makes a lot of sense now
    It looks like I will be shopping around for a good deal on an 100% offset home loan
    Any ideas

    Thanks karlm

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Hi karlm

    Couple of lenders out there offering good base rate products with no fees and a 100% offset account again with no fees.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

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    While I agree that there are some good lenders offering good rates with no fees, I would suggest doing some due diligence to ensure you aren’t getting a bad product. I highly recommend using a Mortgage Broker rather than testing the waters with some online lenders which lure you to attractive rates but have poor customer service & in the long run, you could end-up with higher rates and high cost to refinance. I have had a bad experience with Pacific Mortgage Group (http://www.pmgonline.com.au/) and would suggest that you are careful with your options.

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    Terryw wrote:
    Perfect structure NM. Can't get much better than that.

    Hi NM

    I just read your other post about the inheritance. You could have structured this much better by utlisiing some asset protection techniques and could have possibly set it up more tax effective too. Still doing well though.

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    Terryw wrote:
    Hi NM

    I just read your other post about the inheritance. You could have structured this much better by utlisiing some asset protection techniques and could have possibly set it up more tax effective too. Still doing well though.

    Hi Terryw,

    Thank you kindly for your feedback and would appreciate your thoughts on asset protection and tax effectiveness. Do you have any specific steps that I could take?

    Regards,
    NM

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    NM,

    I wouldn't like to say too much public, but you could have utilised a dsicretionary trust and possibly a post death testamentary discretionary trust depending on the circumstances.

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    Terryw wrote:
    NM,

    I wouldn't like to say too much public, but you could have utilised a dsicretionary trust and possibly a post death testamentary discretionary trust depending on the circumstances.

    Thanks Terryw – I'll look more into it

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    It is largely too late now as you have used the money, but using a DT could give some additional asset protection. You may even be able to set up a post death TT for up to 3 years see s102AG ITAA 1936. This may be tricky though it you have spend the cash and it cannot be traced.

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    Hi Karl,
    I agree to most of what has been said above.
    Line of Credit can be great product to reduce you debt and pay off you loan as soon as possible, in my experience most Financial Planner will recommend this product to help their client reduce their clients debt as soon as possible.
    It all depends on the features of the LOC (Line of Credit) and making sure that it suites you and your family. One of the best LOC products I have seen is the ING Direct LOC, this product comes with a NIVA Card (NIVA stands for Nil Interest Visa Card) the NIVA will allow you to make purchases and even draw cash out of the ATM without paying interest on the credit card for up to 55 days or more commonly the credit card is swept monthly from the LOC so interest only for 30 days.
    The structure is normally that you put all your pay into the LOC account and live off the NVIA card, as your pay is still in your account this will offset against the amount of interest your are paying (as per the above example $10 with $1 extra in the account, interest is only paid $9) along with that you are not paying interest on your living expenses and bills.
    Adelaide and Bendigo Bank also offer this product, can you even do a combo loan With a LOC and if required a 100% offset split (one rate for LOC and cheaper rate for the 100% Offset).
    Prior to leaving St George and incurring a discharge fee and new setup cost I would speak to a Branch Manageror at St George or your Mortgage Broker about the feature of your LOC if you still believe that this is not the product for you I would see if they would allow you to do a produce variation (this is just changing product) this is normally just a once off fee. Always check your exit cost, new loan setup cost and mortgage insurance cost (if applicable) on the new loan prior to making any change.

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Mel in my opinion a Line of Credit is probably one of the worst structure sets up's for a PPOR loan there is.

    What happens when the client decides to move out of the property and buy another PPOR and rent out ther current property?

    Can he / she redraw the LOC and claim the interest ???? I think we both now the anwer to that one.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    I think LOCs would be great if it wasn't for the tax issues. I would recomend people NOT use them for the main loan because of this. Only for accessing equity.

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Precisely my point Terry and something we do for clients.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

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