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  • Profile photo of Mick CMick C
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    matthew.f wrote:
    I thought I would share my frustration with some new bank lending criteria. I have sourced a property in Brisbane 2km from CBD. Returning just over $1,100 per weeks and for sale in the low to mid $800k’s. Gross returns for a house @ approx 7.2% gross returns. With 10% deposit and such great returns it seemed a no brainer. This house is in immaculate condition and the floor plan has been reconfigured to accommodate for 4 bedrooms all with ensuite and own kitchenette’s. 4 seperate leases (for each room) accumulates over $1,100 income. Bank criteria will not take into account the extreme returns as they deem it to be student accommodation and then decipher what the true market rent they think would be…. $600per week (rented out on one lease).

    True rent to me is exactly the true rent that is on the leases?

    Any thoughts.

    Def a student accommodation/ boarding house type of property. Even thought it may make sense in terms of the numbers…the security type is to risky as it’s ” out of the box” – Even some insurance company would look at this as ” out of their policy/ risk”.
    To finance this sort of property you need to go down the commercial side of things unfortunately.

    IF they were not rooms/ but rather 4 “units” on one title…ie a block of small units, then that’s a different story and the bank would be happy to lend on a block of 4+ up to 80% LVR at a pretty decent rate as well- One room = 15 squ mters? VS one unit = 40-60 squ meters… a lot more “normal” for the banks.

    The more Unique OR specialised the security is…the more creative you have to be when it comes to financing- bank’s don’t like specialised properties as it only attract certain buyers.

    Ie not many if any Home owners would want to buy your above property, but it would attract some investors ( i say some, it can be a hassle to mange due to the number of ppl…getting strangers to get along with each another is not easy, yes different rooms but shared kitchen etc…)

    Just look at the student accommodation selling in Broadway ( the lodge)- selling for $140,000- rent for $338 PW clear ….sounds greats?! there are literally 25+ of them on the market to be sold as of today 0.o

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    Profile photo of matthew.fmatthew.f
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    Hi Michael,
    Certainly an expert in your craft. Thank you for the comprehensive analysis and ways around financing this property. I’ll keep you in mind if I have any tricky ones.. haha.

    Where is your office located?

    Profile photo of Mick CMick C
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    Sydney.

    Regards
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    Risk/Reward tradeoff at the moment. Just settled and rented out a nice 3 bedroom house giving us that, a block of 3 flats and our PPoR. Could probably afford another one, but right now I'd prefer to make sure we have comfortable reserves in serviceability, and start paying the PPoR down aggressively. Whilst the next movement in rates will almost certainly be down, over the next few years there's a risk things could get chaotic and they could go anywhere. Whilst the gurus talk about this being a great time to buy (little sidenote, but I've never seen the "gurus" say otherwise, whatever the market conditions), I really don't think theres going to be any particular growth in the next 2-3 years, so I just don't think there's any rush right now. Also my wife just took a fair sized paycut (for lifestyle reasons), and whilst we have our budget, I'd like to confirm its realistic before placing too much trust in it.

    I do get tempted by a reno style project, but despite the hype of the aforementioned gurus, I don't think they're as simple as they'd like us to believe. A very small amount of renovation on the latest purchase show'd me that its not as simple to find the time to work on them as I'd like to think right now (2 very small children). Sure I could sacrifice time to make it happen, but tbh I just don't want to.

    Profile photo of DWolfeDWolfe
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    Great post.

    I'd love to buy a bargain, but in Melb atm there really isnt much movement in prices.

    I'd love to know where all the much touted price drops are beacuse the areas I'm looking vendors are still seeming to get pretty much top dollar. Any sites are well overpriced and any price drops that are happing to stale properties are just taking the price down to basically RRP, I can't see any huge discounting.

    We have 2 properties on the market atm and while it looks like we will get a good dollar amount they will probably take a bit longer to sell.

    I think there are still plenty of buyers out there and it is is not quite as soft a market as some commnentators are making out.

    Just my 2 cents

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    Fully committed already, that's why.

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    Stuck on the serviceability issue, my broker reckons I'm pretty much leveraged to the max, (maybe need a new borker =)

    I have 3 IP's and my PPOR, I want to get into CP+ properties in the mining ports Karratha, Port Hedland ect but servicing the loans would be an issue with the banks.

    Having read much material on using equity after your IP has appreciated all makes sense and sounds simple enough but I've always come unstuck when it comes to serviceability. Once I've figured that one out I guess that's when I can quit my day job. Will keep searching for more creative financial solutions.

     

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    twafy wrote:
    Stuck on the serviceability issue, my broker reckons I'm pretty much leveraged to the max, (maybe need a new borker =)

    I have 3 IP's and my PPOR, I want to get into CP+ properties in the mining ports Karratha, Port Hedland ect but servicing the loans would be an issue with the banks.

    Having read much material on using equity after your IP has appreciated all makes sense and sounds simple enough but I've always come unstuck when it comes to serviceability. Once I've figured that one out I guess that's when I can quit my day job. Will keep searching for more creative financial solutions.

     

    Your broker might want to give AMP a call :)

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    Profile photo of Jamie MooreJamie Moore
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    Shape wrote:
    Your broker might want to give AMP a call :) Regards Michael

    Yep, AMP are great when the old serviceability wall is in site. If the deal is sub 80% then they'll take 100% of the rental income. Also, they don't load other lenders loans when assessing serviceability (others might assess the loans you hold with other financial institutions at a rate 2% higher and on P&I).

    If serviceability is really tight – look at fixing some (or all) of the loan. They assess the serviceability on fixed rates differently.

    That said though – you need to make sure you can afford it! Look at your income/expenses and make sure that it won't be placing you in any financial hardship.

    I recently wrote a blog entry on improving your borrowing capacity here

    Cheers

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    Thanks Michael & Jamie,

    I shall look into AMP, currently all 4 of my properties are sub %80 LVR have approx $5-600k in equity and about $100k in liquid funds. I actually have read your blog Jaime very helpful.

    1. Remove/reduce credit card debts
    I own $0 on my CC

    2. Consolidate debt
    Have no debt except my IP loans and PPOR

    3. Restructure current loans
    All loans bar PPOR are interest only, all excess funds are in my PPOR loan to offset interest

    4. Find a more competitive product
    Did look but exit costs negated the benefits at the time

    5. Fixing loans
    May look at doing this, shortly maybe after another drop in rates which I feel is coming

    6. Look at other products
    AMP here I come =]

    7. Increase rents
    Have just increased one property, will look at the others when the review period comes up

    8. Correct structure from the start – use a good broker that deals with investors
    Have my properties in a Company as a trustee for ………. and may need to find a new broker if current can't help

    Thanks again guys, there's gotta be a way!!

    Profile photo of John_ThomasJohn_Thomas
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    I'm new here. I just want to answer the question, I'm not buying "yet" because I'm really trying to look at properties, and basically looking for a reliable agent/company who will help me and will answer all my questions. I already have some properties and I've been talking to some people, but you know, this is a major decision that I should really look into.

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    John_Thomas wrote:
    I'm new here. I just want to answer the question, I'm not buying "yet" because I'm really trying to look at properties, and basically looking for a reliable agent/company who will help me and will answer all my questions. I already have some properties and I've been talking to some people, but you know, this is a major decision that I should really look into.

    Hi John

    Welcome to the forum.

    If you're talking about a "real estate agent" I wouldn't rely on their information but rather my own due diligence. This is not to belittle REA's – but I wouldn't purchase a property based on the reliability of the agent but rather whether it ticks all the boxes for me and the numbers look good – based on my own analysis.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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    Jamie M wrote:
    If serviceability is really tight – look at fixing some (or all) of the loan. They assess the serviceability on fixed rates differently.

    That said though – you need to make sure you can afford it! Look at your income/expenses and make sure that it won't be placing you in any financial hardship.

    Its very easy (and tempting) to ignore banks when it comes to servicability, but sometimes they're right. People (investors) have a habit of considering servicability in terms of exactly todays interest rates, with 0% vacancy and no unexpected expenses. I'm not saying anyone in this thread is guilty of that, I'm just reminding people that your calculations need to account for the future. What if rates go up a couple of percent? If you own multiple properties, what if more than 1 is vacant at the same time? If you're relying on personal earned income for servicability, what if you're laid off? How long can you keep things going while you look for a new job?

    In my experience, I've had it run both ways. Banks refuse to lend me as much as I've been comfortably confident I can afford, and banks offer to loan me much more than I feel I could confidently repay. Its important to do your own numbers. Sometimes a period of consolidation might be better than expansion.

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