All Topics / Help Needed! / Approaching the landlord, to make an offer for his property.
Hi folks,
Just wondering if anyone could offer me some assistance in the following situation.
The corner block across the road recently went up for auction, and got passed in at 750k. I spoke to the agent and he said the property was currently rented, and the landlord wanted +800k. Being a corner block, decent size.. the property could fit 2 townhouses easliy, however i would only buy if i could put 3 on it.
This is where i need some guidance:
I would like to contact the landlord-(somehow get in contact with him? maybe through the tenant?). and i would like to offer him his asking price subject to approval for 3 townhouses. Brings me to my next problem, do i have to get plans drawn up to get council approval? if so, this will mean i need to pay money without even purchasing the property…. so if approval isnt granted i have paid the arhcitect for nothing.
However if i can get the plans approved while the tenant is still there, i will save holding costs on the property, because i will buy and build straight away. The landlord will get a private sale.. saving on agents fees. correct?any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks spiz
if the property is still or sale through the agent, they will receive the commission regardless.
You could ask the tenant but they may be leasing through the agent & their details not disclosed.
You could submit an offer for an option subject to a DA. Yes you would lose any design costs or planning fees – check the zoning certificate for the allowable use or discuss it with the council’s planner.
Hi,
First thing here is to confirm with council (maybe a phone call to the town planning department) about the allowed site coverage/density etc. This should satisfy your initial due-diligence to a certain extent i would assume. If you are then happy to go further then yes you will have to fork out money that you may never see (welcome to property development).
You could put any offers forward to the owner, however if the agent or the agents marketing has introduced you to the property then it may be an ethical issue (up to you i guess). also the agent will most likely have the property listed exclusively especially post auction for a number of weeks.
its great the tenants are there to pay rent which will help your bottom dollar whilst getting approvals etc. Also try private town planners (depending on your state)
Best of luck
JoshHi Spiz,
I don't think it is a question of ethics in regards to the agent getting commission on the sale- I am pretty sure it is the law (in NSW at least it is). If the agent has introduced the property to you (i.e. by all the advertising he did prior to the auction), then he is entitled to his comission whether it turns out to be a private sale or not.
Cheers,
LukeI assume you have not made contact with the selling agent?
As regards the agent getting his fees, that would also depend on when his contracct ceases (usually no more than 3 months).
A corner block 'usually' gets an additional 5% space allowance in regards to block size: ie: an 1,160 sm site with a min 400sm building size (just 2 x blocks) could get an additional 5% (+58sm) = 1,218 = (3 x 400+sm) allowing you to build the 3 you need.
Visit the town planning department and put your plan to them….they are usually forthright.
As for submitting a DA, the planning department does not 'usually' require detailed plans: you can do your best effort yourself; with detailed plans to follow. All they need are a representation of the block and the boundaries plus the suggested building locations.
Do a title search yourself, estimated cost is about $70…this will have the address of the owner if its different to the street address.
Send a confidential letter to either the stree address and the discovered owners home address, seeking a private meeting with a view to buying.
You could also look at going into partneship with him to build the 3 units. It works like this;
1. You get an option to purchase at a set price (say $800K [as it will take several months-12+ to complete so an extra $50K/6.6%
and no 20% deposit required on your side plus no transfer taxes as its not 'yet' been sold/transfered.
2. You get a licence to occupy the land with authority to build.
3. Get a valuation set at the date of completion on all 3 units.
4. You fund the building of the units via a bank loan. NOTE: If you pre-sell just 2 of the units, the banks will usually fund the entire project.
5. Sell all 3 units by transfering the option to purchase to the end buyer; they pay the state stamp duty, not you.
6. You then slpit the profits (after deducting the $800K for the land and building costs, including interest, fees etc) or you take one unit [to hold, rent etc] as your profit.
By using an option, you will save yourself ~$40K in stamp duty/lost income/lost profits and not have to tie up at least $160K in a deposit~you can use that same money as your building fund/deposit with the banks covering the remainder [up to 100% if you manage to pre-sell at least 2 units during the months it will take to get council final approvals, find a builder etc.
As a base line, with a land content of $800K/3 = $266K each (1/3rd of the land+building valuation) plus 2/3rds in building valuation ($533K) = a selling price of ~$800K each x 3 = $2.4mil. Does $800K each for house and land seem right for this type of area on a ~400sm block?Thanks for the advice guys.
Colin i would expect to get about 700-750K for each. As a rough estimate, if i can get the land for 800k- 266k each-lets say 300k including subdividing, stamp duty etc. Im guessing i can get a builder to build for 250k-300k. i have a builders license, and will do all the concrete slab /landscaping myself – so i think it is possible for 250k build. 300k (land) + 250k( Build)= 550k . So their is 150k per unit, less selling expenses and holding costs.
Does this sound profitable enough?Im in the position where i can purchase the sell my house and purchase the block outright, while i went for the year. As is it my first project do you think its would be best to keep leverage to a minimum to reduce holding costs and risk?
Thanks heaps for the advice guys,
Greatly appreciatedWhile you may be able to finance it 100%, its not the best use of your cash. Cash is king and can be used in other areas while the building is going on to generate additional funds to add to your kitty.
Selling off the plan is the best way to get finance from the banks to save your cash. The deposit from the end buyers also adds to your cash flow to pay your builders/sub-contractors.
You MUST get a project manager to deal with the day to day planning to co-ord the workers on site.Have you visited the local town council yet?
Do you have a copy of the Title with the owners details on it?
Have you arranged a sit-down with the seller to see if he is prepared to offer you an option to purchase (to save your cash and the need to pay transfer tax/stamp duty)? At ~$40K thats a nice chunk of change/cash of better use in your pocket = $40K profit; PLUS you will keep the ~$40K/3 = $13K+ off the selling price, creating a better deal for the end buyer = easier to sell = cash in your pocket earlier. At leasst see if he is willing to go for a long settlement, the longer the better while you get your plans approved with the local council (at least make your contract "subject to an approved Development Application [DA] with ABC Council, no later than XYZ date with '3 x monthly extensions' with conditions (if any) which are acceptable to the buyer". Failing that, go for a quick transfer with a large discount (say $50K = $750K) payable [without terms/conditions] within 14 days. Even if you are refused building permission for 3 units and can only build 2, at $750 plus costs [~$50K) plus 2 x $250K = a total of 2 x $650K = $1.3mil. With a selling price of $700K to $750K, it still gives you $100K to $200K profit. A lot of work for this return.You will be incuring 'holding costs' in the form of 'lost opportunities'. ie: at least interest earned on the cash you pay to the seller. ~$800K x 5% x 12 months = $40K.
You will only incure bank costs (interest) as you draw down the building loan as and when needed, say as each stage is completed; est at ~$100K per month.
This will be a big project (especially for your first one) so get some help.
As for the est building costs of $250K per unit, that sounds high to me…speak to a builder ASAP to get an 'estimate' ASAP.
Do you have a building plan on hand?Yould you not be better positioned to use your cash to buy smaller houses, renovate them ASAP (say max of 6 weeks each) with a modest profit of 15% to 30% on a purchase price of $400K = $60K to $120K per deal. If you only do one every 3 months, thats still a nice chunk of change ($240K to $480K) per year AND you reduce your risk/exposure by a HUGH %. You do NOT want to end up with a hole in the ground, with the builder unable to complete the project with the clock ticking.
If you do manage to get the property at a discount or on good terms (with a partnership is the best) you can use the cash your retain to do the reno on the side, gaining additional cash.
You must be logged in to reply to this topic. If you don't have an account, you can register here.