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    Hi All,

    I may be in a position of “redundancy” soon, if this comes to fruition I would have around 12 months salary, so I was thinking of buying an established Mortgage Choice franchise, good size loan book, home based.

    So my question am I crazy ?

    A little more info about me

    Bachelor Applied Science (Compute Science and Software Engineering)
    Master Business Admin

    A like of finance, I bought a business 4 years ago that my wife runs (building) and I really wanted to push her towards finance but she doesn’t have the passion.

    Some of My concerns

    Clawbacks
    rate rise
    Lowering commissions
    ANZ and others have there own franchised mobile lenders
    there are more that I can’t think of :)

    thanks
    Matt

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    Why buy something you can get for free?

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    Terryw wrote:
    Why buy something you can get for free?

    just for the loan book, the current trailing commissions.

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    That would be coming at a premium?

    If you just want a loan book there are many others out there.
    What is the going rate?

    They used to sell, a few years ago, for about the annual premium. ie if the annual trails were $100,000 you could get it for $100,000.

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    Terryw wrote:
    That would be coming at a premium?

    If you just want a loan book there are many others out there.
    What is the going rate?

    They used to sell, a few years ago, for about the annual premium. ie if the annual trails were $100,000 you could get it for $100,000.

    that’s interesting, where would I look for those ?

    Some appear to be at the 1:1, others appear to be upto 3:1, I thought 1:1 sounded “right”, I think real estate rent rolls are about a 3:1 ?

    thanks

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    You could put an ad in one of the mortgage broker magazines looking to buy loan books. you may also be able to contact some aggregators who may be able to help

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    Hi Mxd.

    1. if you want to buy a trail book, ask your aggregator, they would have plenty for sale. Most loan book these day sell for 2:1 ( 3:1 is bit high, unless it’s a premium loan book with lots of SMSF clients etc….)

    2. If your wife dont like finance, dont push her….you must have the passion and enjoyment to succeed in this industry…

    3. I would think buying a Mortgage Choice franchise would come at a premium price, so running it from home is sort of a “waste” in my opion… because once you buy the franchise you still need to spend $$ to market etc…and with a well known brand like Mortgage Choice it’s best to have a public office.

    4. Before i started my own franchise, i also thought of buying either Mortgage Choice or Aussie. But i find they had a few limitation namely; You can only “recommended” lenders that have authorized ( in another words, lenders that pay THEM a good cut), if you leave the franchise you lose your trail commission ( Sigh,,,wheres the benefit of running your own business?) and of course the expensive franchise cost.

    5. ” ANZ and others have there own franchised mobile lenders” – ummm this doesn’t matter, us brokers still sell ANZ and another banks loan??

    Regards
    Michael

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    thanks, I thought the 2:1 was right but I thought with the new regs (no exit fees etc..) I could take the opportunity todo a 1:1 offer.

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    At the moment you are paying anything from around 1.2 – 1.7 for a trail book whilst a rent roll is standing at around 2.2 – 2.4 x annual commission.

    There are a couple of specialised companies that sell trail book but as the boys said i would never look to buy a MC franchise especially if you intend to run it from home. No value there and the asset may go backwards.

    Stick your cash in the Bank and you get 6.5%.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    Franchise offers immediate leads, but they also take a large chunk of commission.
    I would consider running your own show.

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    I'm looking to purchase an existing loan book. My aggregator hasn't been much help. Can anybody please give me the names of the specialised companies that sell trail books? Would be much appreciated.

    Chloe

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    Chloe

    try Fast http://www.fastgroup.com.au/member-benefits/additional-services.aspx

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    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    FAST who I am with have their own internal Sale / Acqusition program and dont offer them for sale externally these days.

    Try someone like Buy A Trail or similar specialist company

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    Are you aware there are new laws coming into play in about 2 years re: finance trails ?

    I dont have a lot of information as it was broadcasted on the tv program "Today Tonight"

    Has anyone heard any info on this?

    Profile photo of Alistair PerryAlistair Perry
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    I saw that article. They were incorrect, commissions on mortgages are not being considered as part of the changes to financial services. It is definately going to effect managed investments and superannuation, they want to include personal insurance but will be coming up against a lot of opposition on this front because Australia already has a problem with under insurance.

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    I would think it would destroy the mortgage broking sector, commissions have already been decreased, then to take out trail would kill the value of broker's businesses and the ability to purchase milk and bread.  

    CharlieX
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    i’m still at that decision stage of whether to buy a franchise or be on my own. which aggregators will take on new entrants into the industry? please help

    mortgage choice and smartline seem to be the big ones in franchise, but they are not cheap to get into with the upfront cost of the franchise plus monthly ongoing expenses.

    some of the licensing models cost a great deal too, considering that they don’t do much to help you but just be your aggregator or get you mentor thru the first two years as required by the industry association MFAA. MFAA seems to be nothing more then the gatekeeper because many lenders will not give you accreditation if you don’t join this organisation. I have been wondering if this association do get kickbacks from the lenders, which would be anti-competitive?

    other more concerning things would be that most of the aggregators are fully owned or partially owned by the banks too, yet ACCC doesn’t seem to care nor want the independenceness of these two industries.

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    What are the Mortgage Choice ongoing fees and licensing like?

    CharlieX
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    I think Mortgage Choice franchise is about $45k at the moment. it is not a licensing model. base on my research, the licensing models are cheaper and more flexible.

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    i’m still at that decision stage of whether to buy a franchise or be on my own. which aggregators will take on new entrants into the industry? please help

    Hi Charlie,

    I know that Vow, Loanmarket, AFG are all taking on new brokers currently. Each have different cost structures.

    Kind regards,
    Jonathan

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