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  • Profile photo of amyhunzamyhunz
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    Thanks Terry…very helpful.

    What if you had no intentions to expand your portfolio including buying a PPOR? In that situation, wouldn't it be better to start chipping away at the principle?

    I guess though, keeping them as IO loans provides greater flexibility if one wanted the option of buying/ investing more in the future. Flexibility is key!

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    Yes, using IO keeps your options open and will save you the exact same amount of interest IF you use a 100% offset account and keep the same amount of money in there as you would have paid off the loan.

    The only time I wouldn't suggest a IO loan is for people who are tempted to spend any cash they save up, and this is a real and significant danger for many people. Imagine having $600,000 in various offset accounts, I think most people would be tempted to buy things with it things they may not have bought otherwise.

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    It is not a bad thing to pay down the principal on an IP as long as you dont have any non deductible debt (Trust me i paid off
    $9.6M in nearly 10 years on our portfolio) but it is the opportunityof cost that is the issue.

    It is what you can do with the extra monthly amount that makes you different.

    Sitting in a IP loan going nowhere or using it to fund deposits on the next half a dozen properties which over the next 10 years is potential going to make you a decent return is the difference.

    Have said all that if you are comfotable and nicely living off the rental income of your portfolio why wouldnt you pay down the principal debt.

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    This thread has been very helpful!

    I have a couple questions of my own.

    1. With the offset accounts, is it 1 offset account for each Investment Loan? Or is 1 offset account connected to more than one Investment Loan.

    2. How is deductable debt (interest) claimed? Do I receive something like a Group Certificate from the bank at the EOFY?

    Any help appreciated.

    Andrew

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    Whatever wrote:
    This thread has been very helpful!

    I have a couple questions of my own.

    1. With the offset accounts, is it 1 offset account for each Investment Loan? Or is 1 offset account connected to more than one Investment Loan.

    2. How is deductable debt (interest) claimed? Do I receive something like a Group Certificate from the bank at the EOFY?

    Any help appreciated.

    Andrew

    Hi Andrew

    It is usually just one offset account per loan. Some banks only allow one, others may allow more than 1.

    interest is just claimed on your tax return. It is self assessment so you just write down the figure on the return. You can get the figure from adding up all the interest you have paid throughout the year (and sorting any deductible from non deductible etc).

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    hello all .. I'm thinking of trying to boost my super through property with smsf .. an investment group is suggesting brisbane cbd but I don't know if I'm too old .. (just turned 50 .. but a young 50).  I'm very nervous about it .. should I just leave my super in the fund?  Does anyone have any "pearls of wisdom" please?

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    bd01 wrote:

    hello all .. I'm thinking of trying to boost my super through property with smsf .. an investment group is suggesting brisbane cbd but I don't know if I'm too old .. (just turned 50 .. but a young 50).  I'm very nervous about it .. should I just leave my super in the fund?  Does anyone have any "pearls of wisdom" please?

    If you are nervous, then that may be a sign. be careful of investing the the CBD

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    If I am not wrong, it will work fair when there is a capital gain from the house; what if the there is decline in the property value that we have actually paid.

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    Hi All,

    I'm a novice like many on this forum, and WOW getting my head around some of this stuff is doing me in. But at the same time so helpful.

    A question on IO , I was looking at a couple of the banking website calculators and after the IO  repayment ends ( in this case 10yrs ) the repayment seemed to increase ??? . I feel like I'm missing something . Because you seem to pay the interest off  every mth and the priniciple stays the same ( lets say a  $ 300,000 ) but once that ends where do you find the extra $ to pay down principle and interest now.
    Please someone explain what i'm not getting.

    We have a IP that we purchases 12mth ago ,and really keen to buy another IP and also want to get into bigger PPOR 2 and rent out PPOR 1. So really need to understand this better. Would really appreciate your input.

    Cheers

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    risk1return2011 wrote:
    A question on IO , I was looking at a couple of the banking website calculators and after the IO  repayment ends ( in this case 10yrs ) the repayment seemed to increase ???

    Because it rolls onto principle and interest. At this point, you generally switch back to interest only.

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    techamitdev wrote:
    If I am not wrong, it will work fair when there is a capital gain from the house; what if the there is decline in the property value that we have actually paid.

    If you make a loss, you declare the loss on your tax return and it reduces your taxable income.  If your loss was say, $100k, it does not mean you get $100k refund.  You get some of it back, depending on the tax bracket you fall under.

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    Thanks Jamie

    But if our goal is to buy and hold a IP for the long term with a IO and you switch back to IO , when the term of the loan expires ( 30 yrs say ) what happens then ??? You still owe the bank . Do you have to sell and buy another ?
     Forgive me if my questions are silly but trying to understand.

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    If you only ever had IO loans you will never pay off the property. But this isn't necessarily a bad thing because:
    1. You can get to own more properties but stretching your investment dollars further
    2. Inflation and price growth.

    Imagine, my friend's parents bought a property in Sydney in 1960s for $16,000. It is now worth $1mil+. The annual rent would probably be twice what they had paid for the property. Imagine if they had used an IO loan initially. they would still owe $16,000!

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    Maybe the biggest thing to get my head around is always having huge amounts of debt and never really owning anything .
    Is it that simple??
    Let the tax man and the tenant pay the bills.

    Thanks for your thoughts

    Cheers

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    Yes let them pay the bills.  Meanwhile the property goes up in value, so in say 10 years you could sell one property to pay the debt on two or three other properties.  You simply have to be patient.  Acquire some properties and let time do its thing.

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    Terryw wrote:
    Imagine, my friend's parents bought a property in Sydney in 1960s for $16,000. It is now worth $1mil+. The annual rent would probably be twice what they had paid for the property. Imagine if they had used an IO loan initially. they would still owe $16,000!

    Terry’s quote hits the nail on the head. It’s the increase in the value of the asset that makes property appealing to investors. The interest only loan you have today may be insignificant compared to the value of the property it secures in 30 years time.

    That interest only loan of $16k would set them back a cool $93 a month in repayments (assuming they still had it) on a property that’s worth over $1 million. A perfect example of inflation and growth working while the loan remains at it’s original level.

    Cheers

    Jamie

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