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  • Profile photo of BigTeddyBigTeddy
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    How long do your commercial/industrial tenants normaly stick around?

    What type of business do they have?

    Do you find they want to break leases early?

    Do you find there business is not a success and they close the doors?

    What tenants stay around for a long time?

    Is retail better?

    Anything else you mite be able to think of?

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    BigTeddy wrote:

    How long do your commercial/industrial tenants normaly stick around?

    Generally for as long as they are required to under the lease.

    BigTeddy wrote:

    What tenants stay around for a long time?

    Brothels or other such businesses which cannot easily relocate.

    BigTeddy wrote:

    Is retail better?

    Anything else you mite be able to think of?

    Retail is a specialised field with laws regulating what is done. These are more important to have managed by a retail property manager.

    Profile photo of god_of_moneygod_of_money
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    "Brothels or other such businesses which cannot easily relocate."

    I like that statement

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    I had to choose my words carefully, I could have said that they were ‘hard’ to relocate but that would be inappropriate. ;)

    SNM

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    Good example on the relocation, Scott.

    Generally tenants stay as long as the lease permit. I think they can also leave early by giving the owner a prior notice. Correct me if i am wrong.

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    BigTeddy wrote:

    How long do your commercial/industrial tenants normaly stick around?

    What type of business do they have?

    Do you find they want to break leases early?

    Do you find there business is not a success and they close the doors?

    What tenants stay around for a long time?

    Is retail better?

    Anything else you mite be able to think of?

    Based on two tenants (on seperare warehouse properties) I have:

    1. Both were on 3x3x3 leases, they chose to opt out after the 6th year.

    2. First was a mechanic and second ran a gym/karate classes.

    3. No, both refused the option of the 3rd x3 lease tenure, didn't break them "early" like within 3 years.

    4. The mechanic I had expanded and needed a much bigger premise (1,000m2+), the gym/karate class guy opted out because of building facility issues that I had no real choice over. The building was aging and there was nothing I could do to keep him there. Faced pretty stiff competition from nearby (within a 10km radius) of newer and bigger named (e.g. Fitness First) gyms. The other problem was that my warehouse was too big for him to fully use. I have 1,000m2 of FLOORSPACE – he could only make use of about 500m2 max. I allowed him to sublet but he demanded lower rental rates, which I couldn't afford to.

    5. Not sure, having said that, I would say 95% of all businesses wouldn't stay for a long time. Speaking to mates/agents in the warehouse industry, the only ones who can keep tenants in are shopping centres (goodwill invested, not easy to rebuild).

    6. Don't know

    7. As many may have mentioned to you, the commercial/industrial type property fluctuates and is heavily affected by the economy.

    Take the above info with a grain of salt as this is purely on my experience, not a qualified expert!

    Profile photo of brokersperthbrokersperth
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    IT depends on the contract I think.

    If the contract state something about a specific rules.

    If the lease breaks the rules. Time for the owner to decide what to do next.

    Home Loans Rockingham

    mattnz
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    The more they have to invest to fit out the space the longer they are likely to stay at the premises.

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    well that is one advantage of a commercial lease. You still need to be wary of the effects of a fitout contribution.

    Profile photo of theinvestortodaytheinvestortoday
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    It varies so much from area to area that it’s almost hard to give a straight answer. We do most of our stuff here in Canada but a little in Australia as well. In my hometown, you almost can’t get a tenant to sign a lease because the businesses are struggling so bad and there is so much vacant property. In Toronto, they won’t bat an eye if you ask them to stay 5 years and they will likely stay the whole time. It’s really just a matter of demand. You’ll want to see what some of the averages are for the area you’re investing in.

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    I agree with brokersperth on this one. It depends on the contract if you have any though.
    The better the place and the more it is where people notices it then there's a big possibility that the tenant would stay longer.

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