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  • Profile photo of joshkay83joshkay83
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    Hey guys,

    Firstly i know this topic probably has been covered numerous times before but i wanted to get a few ideas given the current property market.

    So what are the pro's and con's with building new for an investment property?? With the strategy of using it as our PPOR in the future.

    Cheers

    Profile photo of Scott No MatesScott No Mates
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    ‘New ‘ properties will generally depreciate more than any capital growth that you might experience over the first few years of your investment.

    If you want to quarantine some of your capital gains, you may wish to live in the house for a period before renting out, providing you don’t have another ppor.

    Profile photo of Kent CliffeKent Cliffe
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    Hi Josh,

    So you have 3 questions to answer and I will throw another into mix, just because it's Monday. The fourth question I will answer is the economic term, "Opportunity Cost".

    Pros of a New Build (often what is marketed):
    – Better Tax advantage
    – Better rental yield
    – Low entry costs ($1000 down and fin the rest after build)
    – Lower maintenance
    – Often considered an "easy" option and psychologically "new" is considered in our heads as intrinsically better.

    Cons of a New Build:
    – Lower land content (often around 30% or less)
    – New subdivisions with substantial land supply
    – Developer risk – builder or land developer going broke
    – 10% GST
    – Little opportunity to value add
    – Builder profit margin, developer profit margin and property marketer commission (seen these as high as 8-9%)
    – Lower capital growth (often a consequence of previously mentioned factors)

    Now to living in it. Some tenants are good and some tenants are bad. At the end of the day, tenants have their bond and the "potential" for litigation against them, meaning they won't care for it as much as a person who has $450k directly invested in the property. You may find yourself living in a house that is not so "new". Secondly, I would direct you to an accountant as some of my clients have found there is tax implications when you have the intention of moving into the property in the future. Personally, I wouldn't do this because…

    … this brings me onto my next point, Opportunity Cost. New builds are good in some circumstances, for example, if you have a development site and are looking to increase your rental yields. From my experience with clients, family, friends, myself (i know some people on here have different strategies) the first purchase i always recommend to my clients is: a high capital growth property. The equity from this initial property, in the future, will allow you to purchase cash flow properties, your own new build home, or higher capital growth properties (ones I’m biased towards.)

    I may be wrong, but if this is going to be your life wealth creation plan, be sure to research as much as you can BEFORE you buy and hope.

    Profile photo of joshkay83joshkay83
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    Thanks for the feedback guys.

    We at the stage of researching the best strategy for our future goals.

    Building wealth thru property invesment with the goal of retiring early and financial independance.

    We are able to continue our current living arrangments (girlfriend living at home and i am boarding with my sister) for the next few years and by the end of the year purchase our first IP.

    What would be the best strategy for our current situation? Given our cheap living arrangment.

    Cheers

    Profile photo of Kent CliffeKent Cliffe
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    Hi Josh,

    It also depends on income, deposit and what YOU want to do (goals, skills, motivation and other). If I knew a little more about your situation I could give you examples of clients in the same place. Some basic tips:

              Put your plan on paper
              Break it down (work back from retirement to now)
              Educate yourself
              Seek advice of professionals.
              Make sure you as well as your partner are committed to the goals. 

    Profile photo of joshkay83joshkay83
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    Hi Kent

    We are looking at a deposit of around 25k – 30k and we have a combined income of 90k.

    My gf lives with her dad and im renting with my sister (still very cheap). We are wanting to first purchase an IP with good rental yield (to help with cash flow), then using the equity purchase our PPOR hopefully within 2 years.

    We are both wanting to delve into property renovating as well but not until we have a solid portfolio with a mix of CF+ properties and captial growth properties.

    From there we are wanting to continue with property investing, with the goal of early retirement and security for our children.

    We are looking at something close to where we live (Gold Coast, Qld) but wont rule out interstate or regional areas.

    Thanks for your comments!  Cheers

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