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  • Profile photo of macca12macca12
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    Hi Guys,

    I currently own 2 investment properties 50/50 with my brother and over the next 12 months I'm looking to do a join venture development.  Looking to build 2-3 units to sell for a profit and Im trying to learn all I can about the best way to purchase/finance such a devlopment.  At this stage I am unsure who i will complete the join venture with – it may be brother or my parents or possible a friend outside the family.

    Due to having the intention of building to sell I assume we will be liable to pay GST? and obivously Capital Gains Tax.  So would setting up a trust and or company reduce the tax and be easy to secure finance etc?

    Thanks for your advice

    Cheers
    Macca

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    Hello Macca12,

    The best  person to speak to about TRUST is your qualified tax accountant. There are different type of TRUST accounts and they have their pros and cons.

    Given the seriousness of your venture, get the expert advise so you understand clearly the advantages and disadvantages of using TRUST account.

    Just to give you some idea about TRUST (e.g. discretionary trust), provides asset protection and minimise tax payment particularly if u are on high tax bracket. In addition, you control of your assets (e.g. investment properties) but you don't own them hence if you get sued personally since you don't own your assets they are pretty safe but in divorce discretionary trust such as family trust is meaning less since all assets get divided up by party involved (e.g mum and dad).

    Dis-advantage of discretionary trust, if your IP is negatively geared, the loss income get trap in it hence you wont get tax breaks unlike if you purchased the IP in your personal name.

    As said, get some expert advice, for a fraction of fee you pay, such expert advise is invaluable.

    DON'T UNDER ESTIMATE ON HOW YOU STRUCTURE YOUR IP…TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

    All the best and good luck mate.

    Cheers Leo

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    Thanks Leo – good advice

    Profile photo of TerrywTerryw
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    Trusts are great for a number of reasons. One not many people think of is the ability to include outsiders in servicing calculations if you suddenly find you cannot get finance.

    eg If you bought land in your own name then later couldn't get finance to build you are pretty much stuck. But if you had a company as trustee for a trust you could easily add in another director to the company and then get the bank to assess serviceability on both incomes. You couldn't do this personally – unless you were spouses maybe.

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    Terry has made a very valid point and one i mention to clients on a regular basis.

    So often i come across clients who have been declined on the construction portion of the loan by their financier who was more than happy to lend them funds against the vacant land.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    Trusts, Can i ask

    If i set up a trust. Buy a house (using trust). Pay deposit from LOC.

    1) Any money the trust loses stays locked up in trust. But can i carry the loss forward into subsequent years until the trust makes a profit?

    2) Can i claim the interest on the 20% deposit from LOC as a tax loss against my personal income?

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    wobblysquare wrote:
    Trusts, Can i ask

    If i set up a trust. Buy a house (using trust). Pay deposit from LOC.

    1) Any money the trust loses stays locked up in trust. But can i carry the loss forward into subsequent years until the trust makes a profit?

    2) Can i claim the interest on the 20% deposit from LOC as a tax loss against my personal income?

    1. yes
    2. no

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    TerryW,
    In which case i take it the normal approach is lend the trust 20% from LOC. Get the trust to borrow 80%, so that 100% of interest costs are incurred by the trust for the property.

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    That is probably the most common way. The other way is to gift cash to the trust.

    But consider the asset protection side of things too.

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    Can anyone confirm if they have paid stamp duty when adding a director to an existing trust?  My accountant has warned that I may be liable for stamp duty etc if I add another director but I won't know until the application is lodged.  Does this sound right or am I being led down the garden path? I thought one of the best aspects about having a trust was the ability to easily add another director. I don't see how I end up paying stamp duty again when the property has not been exchanged. 

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    Trusts don't have directors – only trustees or or directors of the trustee company.

    Adding a director will not result in any stamp duty implications.

    If you have an individual as trustee and want to change this by adding another trustee then this is not so easy. The trustee has the title to property in their names so changing the trustee will result in need to change the title to all property. This will mean changing and re applying for all loans. Stamp duty on this may be applicable or may not – you have to look in the Duties Act of the state the property is located in. see for NSW,
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/da199793/s54.html

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