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Hi,
I have bought my first IP 6 months ago for $350k in SE part of Melbourne. I've approached my bank to take up a line of credit in order to access the increase in equity on my IP. The bank's valuer said that the property was valued at purchase price 6 months ago and that valuation will remain unless I get a sworn valuation at my expense. My banker gave me the contact details of 2 valuers which is approved by the bank and I called both to obtain a quote.
One of the valuers is specialised in properties in SE Melbourne. He asked me if the purpose of the sworn valuation is for sale, purchase or for obtaining finance and also asked for some details of my property (eg address, no. of rooms etc). He also asked what i think is the estimated value of my IP which I said it's probably about $390k now and he agrees that it was a realistic estimate. He quoted me $495 for the sworn valuation. He also asked if the valuation report is to be addressed to the bank or myself. He says that if it is addressed to myself, I cannot present the report to the bank for mortgage purposes and that I need to pay an extra $100 to redirect the report to the bank. Alternatively, I can instruct the bank to request for a sworn valuation using him as a valuer, that way I will avoid paying an extra $100. However, the bank may or may not give me a copy of the valuation. I've checked with my banker who confirms that I will not obtain a copy of the valuation report.
The second valuer also asked me the purpose for the valuation and quoted me only $300. But he says that he will address the valuation to the bank and give me a copy as well.
I am wondering if the purpose of the sworn valuation does influence the value my IP? Also, what is the price range for obtaining a sworn valuation? Is the redirection fee a norm for obtaining a sworn valuation?
Thanks heaps.
Cheers,
CorinneYes, the purpose will influence the value. Valuers need to be conservative when dealing with banks as they will have more likelihood of getting sued down the track. It is normal for their to be an extra fee to get it reassigned to the bank.
But it is strange that your bank is asking you to order it yourself.
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Hi Terry,
Thanks for your reply. My banker said I have a choice of 2 valuers and that I could contact the valuers to get a quote before letting her know which one I want to use.
I was wondering if I should order the valuation to be addressed to myself then redirect to the bank or just get the bank to request for one to be done with the valuer that i choose. I gather that I would be able to estimate the value of my property from the LVR that the bank approves and dont really need to have a copy of the valuation report.
Yes, some banks, like NAB refuse to tell you what the valuation comes in at, but then say we can lend you a max of $XX which is 80% of the valuation.
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Valuers will generally address the valuation to the person who is instructing the valuation and is to rely on it (whether it be for mortgage, insurance, sale, property settlement etc). The valuer will note that they only warrant the use for the purose that the val has been instructed and have no liability towards anyone else who may rely on the valuation. A valuation is only good for 3 months (max) so a new instruction or request to verify may be required if it falls outside of this timeframe.
Not strange at all Terry. Recently my nab Banker also gave me the names of two valuers they would accept. The question I would be asking Obiwann 22 is… before spending money on a valuer after only 6 months is.. Has Obiwann 22 had a quantity surveyor provide him with a depreciation report of all the noncash deductions he is entitled to claim so that his initial investment maximises the return on the initial investment ?
The push to access the equity in the initial investment can sometimes mean that you ignore ensuring the initial investment from day one starts to work toward CF+ve territory. How many CF +ve properties can you afford to hold?
Obiwan,
Which bank are you dealing with?
Banker
Corrine,
Do not let your banker know who you are using and just go ahead and order the valuation yourself and then once you have received a copy then call the valuer and ask to forward a copy to your banker.
Reason, if you let your banker know who you want to use then she will call threw to the bank and say its being done on behalf of them, and then your value will drop tens of thousands.
Its happened to me and I persued the case and I found out a whole bunch of things
basicly the bank has an influence over the valuation.Hi Everyone,
Thanks for your replies.
Limited Recourse – I have had a depreciation schedule done by a quantity surveyor prior to renting my IP out.
Banker – My mortgage is with NAB
Keiko – So, I should just let valuer know that the purpose for valuation is for obtaining finance and to be addressed to myself. Then, when it's done to get the valuer to redirect a copy to the bank?
Thanks.
cheers,
CorinneAhh Obiwan
Generally most banks would indeed utilize the purchase price if it was less than 12 months old, unless there had been either significant renovations and improvements done to the property, (without overcapitalizing) or there had been some significant growth in sale prices (not listed for sale prices) in the area for similar properties. This is all the NAB will use with there valuers representatives they employ, and any licensed valuer (as they have suggested) will also be basing their valuation on comparable sales figures (and thus growth or reduction in market value) And as already mentioned, the valuation purpose does make a difference – for example a marriage (divorce)settlement/payout purpose as opposed to an increase in borrowings. All lenders view equity releases as you are doing to have an element of risk, especially if your original LVR of borrowings was in the higher levels. You would find with your bank however that a professional val from one of their approved valuers they will indeed use in lieu of their in house one, or seriously consider in the case of others. Then again, there is a stack of dubious stuff going on at the moment – I recently heard of vals in one state on a luxury 2 br apartment complex with a variation of more than 20% between the bank/bank valuers/ and an 'independent' valuer that had been 'commissioned' by a broker representing a sales company.
I must post some wording that was shown in a valuation that came across my desk the other day just for 'educational purposes' on the forum when I get around to it.
And on another note – good to hear you may have some cap growth after only 6 mths. All the best
Cheers
obiwan22 wrote:Hi Everyone,Thanks for your replies.
Limited Recourse – I have had a depreciation schedule done by a quantity surveyor prior to renting my IP out.
Banker – My mortgage is with NAB
Keiko – So, I should just let valuer know that the purpose for valuation is for obtaining finance and to be addressed to myself. Then, when it's done to get the valuer to redirect a copy to the bank?
Thanks.
cheers,
CorinneHi Corrine,
Yes thats what I would do, If the valuer asks which bank, just say your not sure yet. if you tell him the bank he will value it to suit the bank.
Isn't a valuation a valuation regardless if it is for sale, refinance or otherwise………………….
Fredo
oh if only…..Isn't a valuation a valuation regardless if it is for sale, refinance or otherwise
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Thanks everyone for the tips!
Keiko – Unfortunately I have told one of the valuer that I am with NAB previously. Maybe I should use the other valuer since I haven't told them who I'm with yet.
obiwan22 wrote:Thanks everyone for the tips!Keiko – Unfortunately I have told one of the valuer that I am with NAB previously. Maybe I should use the other valuer since I haven't told them who I'm with yet.
Could be a good idea, you will find that if the valuer knows which bank then your valuation will be 5-10% lower
Or if you can spare the cash, get both to do one then you can pick the higher value.
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