Credibilty of Promoters

Hi Greenpastures

We have some friends who've just gone on the real estate speaking circuit with a promoter.  What was interesting and I believe correct, was the amount of due diligence done on our friends, by the promoter.  They had to justify, with documentation, every transaction they have done.  In order to "cover" their business, I'd expect every promoter would do the same.  You'd certainly hope so.

Cheers,  Paul

Hi all,

Have to say I was very surprised to see both Carly and Mark's names on the list. Have they paid to be included? Is their spot 20 mins of advertising their wares that Steve has charged them top dollar for? Has Steve offered himself as a guest speaker for them? I really hope that it is 20 minutes of advertsing and that not all the 3 days of 9-9, 9-9, 9am-6pm is full of them selling all sots of garbage! I think if you were interested in seeing them you would attend one of their info days

I am going. It better be good (lol)!  With information more is more. You can then sort through the waffle, BS, beginner information and find a nugget or two that can help or that can change your ideas to more profitable ones.

It is a real shame you wont be there Wealthy, I would like to pick your brain!  Have you developed your big block yet?

D

Uhhh……which one is selling AMWAY? LOL. Please tell me I haven't wasted money I could have spent on loan application fees?

If they are all on the same day I wont need a babysitter lol!

D

Thanks Kylie,

I guess I am a skeptic. I don't believe any one will give you anything for free. Firstly because it has cost them something and secondly because no one values things they have been given.

I have been duped into attending a business meeting which turned out to be a huge AMYWAY spruik. I'm sure your friend makes a lot of money, but I decided a couple minutes into seeing men driving ferraris and pictures of fine houses and pumping music that it wasn't for me. I left to go to the powder room and did a runner though a dark car park at Doncaster Council. Bye bye to my wealth and my fortune in AMWAY.

I have a vested interest in seeing my portfolio grow and digging out every single piece of information I can possible find which will help me achieve my goals.

I didn't realize that what I said was slanderous or defamatory. And reading back through what I said…..it isn't. I believe in spending money on my education but I will always take what is said by ANYONE with a healthy dose of do my own research. I just want to make sure that what I pay for benefits the life I am living.

In my previous occupation is VERY COMMON for suppliers/service providers to PAY for the privilege to speak or to promote their products. My questions are legitimate.

D

I think its only defamatory and slanderous if its NOT true.. and if these 'credible'presenters like Rolton would come and and prove or back up their claims, we'd all be much happier. the FACT of the matter however is that they refuse to, can't, won't or whatever. Any intelligent person would have to ask why that is.

As Wealth4Life says, SURELY with all the successful students and HIGH degrees of honesty these people have, there MUST be some people out there willing to say "Yes I have become Uber wealthy thanks to doing deals with mark rolton or carly crutchfield".

Bollocks. The information isn't new (again as W4L rightly points out), and nothing new has really been said. These spruikers sell dreams, not reality, and part fools (sadly including me at one point) from their money. It sickened me knowing what I know sitting in on one options seminar hearing what was being said, watching these people get so excited they were nearly crying with joy like FINALLY someone had shown them the light..knowing full well that the claims being made up on that stage were never going to be proven. I met one man who'd lost everything, his wife, his home, access to his child because he believed what he was told and gave it all up to pursue, believing he was going to be made wealthy. When confronted, the spruiker in question said "oh well you need to take responsibility for your actions its not my problem". If murder was legal that day…..Ive never felt such fury outside of a war zone before.

If you're an educator, say so, get up and educate. Don't say "oh these seminars are just childs play money for me I"M a REAL developer and I do deals EVERYWHERE and PEOPLE ARE LINING UP TO BUY FROM ME". the information and theory isn't the lie – in my opinion its the material used to sell that information that is questionable.

I don't know Steve, never met him, maybe never will, dont' knwo anyone who's done his courses or used his products, so cant' say anything about the man other than I kinda like his forum. I'd only comment to say one thing.. sure find profitable activities and with integrity and ethics, use them to your fullest ability…but with INTEGRITY and ETHICS also be carefu who you associate with lest ye be tarnished with the same brush.

Endeth the rant.

these seminars are often more show business/entertainment than education/knowledge/information.

lets also be plain, history has shown some of the individuals to be cons and worse.

go for the entertainment if its free but keep your money and pen in your pocket.

make your decisions in the cold light of day and based on facts not promises and possibilities.

some of these individuals, change their names and even target other countries once they have needed to move on for various reasons.

good luck and take care. 

Hi All

I went to a certain seminar in Brisbane just last weekend and i found it interesting to say the least.

Firstly there was at least one high profile property guru there spruiking their products – i was amused to see that at the end of each of the promotions we were offered "12999.00 worth of product for only 5999.00", as long as we signed up immediately.

This of course was the theme of the two days except for one legendary international spruiker who promised us $76000.00 worth of product for only $5999.00. Of course this came complete with preppy intro music and bouncy stage antics

Most interesting of the weekends events was a "moment" i had with the organiser of the event.

I was actually interested in the product of one of the presenters, to the point where i phoned my wife and told her something about the product and asked if she was prepared to let me (having been there) make the decision to purchase the product.

Needless to say, she who must be obeyed said no as she would like more information first (fair enough too)

So i went to the organisers and enquired when this particular presenter might be appearing again so that i could organise to have my wife attend that event.

I was almost gobsmacked when said organiser then tried to use an old "1970's used car sales" technique on me that involved suggesting that i was not the "man" in the relationship if i couldnt make a decision without my wifes permission etc and more comments in a similar vein continued

Needless to say the hard sell approach didnt work and i am sure the presenter would have loved to know about the actions of this particular person…

In fairness to the organiser though, i did learn some things of interest through out the weekend though and the event was decently organised, though i probably wouldnt attend again unless there was more depth of information offered *(unlikely given that each presenter is trying to get you to join their group and receive the in-depth information there)

Do i think all presenters are dodgy? No
Do i think that members promoting their products on these forums should be vetted by the owners of the board, yes definitely.
Do i think that presenters at a Steve McKnight seminar should be heavily vetted prior to being allowed to share the event with him, yes

IMO Steve has gained a measure of trust and respectability from his work in charities, his publications and his oft stated beliefs and i hope he isnt risking that credibility by allowing unknown quantities to promote within his business.

Hi wealth4life,

If you are interested in retirement as an investment sector drop me a line and I will give you some angles you might be interested in.

Just to be clear – I have no interest in the sale of these properties! Just happy to share my knowledge on the sector….

Richard

Excellent!! Retirement is a dirty word!