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    I am vendor looking to offer a portion of my sale price as vendor finance to achieve the asking price we are looking for on a property. Who (which firm/person) in Brisbane do people use to setup/manage the escrow account? Please don't say just call a solicitor, as most do not have a clue on vendor finance or how to set up an escrow.

    What sort of costs involved?

    For interest we are offering below bank rates on our vendor finance to achieve a higher overall sales price for our property.

    TIA for your guidance.

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    What you need is a property specialist lawyer. You are really just lending the buyer money so you will need a loan agreement. You will also need to take some sort of security for the loan such as a second mortgage and you will need a lawyer for this. Not sure what you mean by escrow. The contract will be suject to you offering vendor finance I assume and the finance will be supplied at settlement with reduced purchase price.

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    Escrow means in held in trust.

    Documents, real estate, money, or securities deposited with a neutral third party (the escrow agent) to be delivered upon fulfillment of certain conditions, as established in a written agreement.

    Definition 2
    An account held by the lender into which a homeowner pays money for reduction of the principle outstanding.

    In my case I am looking for an agent to manage the collection of payments, calculation of the interest owing, and the maintaining the documents until such time as the contract terms are fullfilled. They would pass collected funds on to me each month upon payment by the purchasers. Purchasers are assured their funds are properly being accounted for and credited against the debt.

    My question to the forum is: Who in Brisbane have people used and could recommend?

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    Am I crazy?

    This is what my Real Estate agent says to me….

    ……We have spoken to a solicitor about Escrow agreements, she said they no longer use them, because its really taking out a second mortgage, they are too complicated and very risky.

    Does any body do wraps in Qld? His solicitor is a 'property specialist lawyer'.

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    Yes, but why would you need the escrow? I can't see how it would work or why it would be needed.

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    1. I do not want to manage the monthly accounts
    2. I want the documents to be kept securely (where will I be in 6 years??) so they can be passed to purchaser upon completion of contract terms.
    3. I want interest owing and paid calculated correctly and subtracted from the outstanding principle owing.
    4. I want to provide the buyer with security to know that a neutral 3rd party is handling the funds each month

    In the simplest of terms. A buyer has contract with me pay me $xxx per month including interest at xx% on a Vendor contract for 5 years for $XXXX. Each month they pay to a nominated trust account their payment. They are secure in knowing they made a payment and I am secure in knowing the payment is recorded and credited. If they fail to pay I have  neutral 3rd party to veriy they have not been making payments and are in breach of our contract. This literally can be used to foreclose on the property (subject to the first mortgage) if things go pear shaped.

    Lots of benefits for all parties. Interest goes to me not to the bank (I like being a bank when I get paid interest), the buyer gets a lower overall rate, I get a higher price for my property, everyone is secure as a 3rd party handles $$.

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    Its going to cost you a fortune for a solicitor to manage that for you. The other party shouldn't be worried about paying to you as they have your money so this arrangement won't really affect them. Documents can be held by a lawyer without this arrangement. The way you have set it out seems too complicated to me.

    Whether you handle it or a solicitor handles it, there will be no different in taking action if they breach the agreement.

    I should also point out that banks don't like lending for these vendor finance type arrangments.

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    Oh course banks don't like this… they loose out on being the bank.
    It is all about cash flow…. I would it prefer it flow to me (as a return on my money/equity) than to the bank.

    I rang Conveyancing Works in Brisbane who recommended Tony at Eaton Lawyers in Arrana Hills for doing vendor finance contracts.  He is very familiar with the process and will work with selling agents to ensure all parties are 'covered' legally and interests are secured against the property (rather than a simple contract).

    When deals get down to how creative you can be to get your price or how to get the interest rate you can afford, then a blend of vendor finance works. The key is to make sure you are covered legally and have a good 'monitoring' system (escrow) in place to make sure the transaction(s) go off according to plan.

    Tony emphasised that the purchaser must also list the vendor on any insurance policies until such time as the vendor has been completely paid out and vendor has released property lien to the purchaser. He said purchasers normally pay for the costs of a vendor contract agreement as they are the beneficiary of the agreement.

    I can't speak to fee's for the service as I do not have anything to compare against. I have not gotten an email back yet with full schedule of fees from Eatons, however their std costs were within $50.00 of CW.

    Time is money. For me I am happy to pay for legal advice, accounting advice, and in this case escrow services. $10-20 a month service fee for accepting and managing payments/documents is a small price to pay to get everything right, when you are talking tens of thousands of $$.

    I've never used Eatons. Anyone have comments about them?

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    There is a big difference between a wrap and a second mortgage carry back.

    I have been involved in each for over 13 years here in Qld.

    They loan argreements between each type of contract vary considerably and your usual suburban Solicitor may not have a clue.

    As Terry mentioned financing the deals these days as far as the incoming purchaser is concerned is not easy.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    There is a big difference between a wrap and a second mortgage carry back.

    I have been involved in each for over 13 years here in Qld.

    They loan argreements between each type of contract vary considerably and your usual suburban Solicitor may not have a clue.

    As Terry mentioned financing the deals these days as far as the incoming purchaser is concerned is not easy.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    There is a big difference between a wrap and a second mortgage carry back.

    I have been involved in each for over 13 years here in Qld.

    They loan argreements between each type of contract vary considerably and your usual suburban Solicitor may not have a clue.

    As Terry mentioned financing the deals these days as far as the incoming purchaser is concerned is not easy.

    So what firms or people do you recommend or use in your business for these types of transactions? With 13 years of experience you must have a list of preferred, 'switched on' solicitors.

    Please share.

    Profile photo of Paul DobsonPaul Dobson
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    Hi Circle

    We have a company called Vendor Finance Management P/L look after our wraps and second mortgage carrybacks.  Give me a call.

    Cheers, Paul

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    An alternative way to finance your home.

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    No we have an in-house firm that does all of our installment contract in Qld.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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