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    Hi All,

    Now i know you all have propably heard this about a hundred times but i would like to get everybody's opinions on my situation. im new to property investment and would like to know if anybody has been in my situation in the past and also what people could recommend. All comments and suggestions are much appreciated.

    Im 27 and I purchased a 1 bed unit for 365,000 about 5 years ago. I current owe 225,000 on the apartment and im looking at starting to build my portfolio. I have a PI loan at 5.96 pa and looking around the area similar properties are now going for 400-420,000. My income is 70k

    My plan was to try and get the current loan as low as possible and then look for another property to rent out. My goal is to have about 10-15 rental properties by the time im 40-45. Is this possible? What are your thoughts?

    Thanks :)

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    Forgot to mention…my current property is my PPOR

    and i have a joint income of 115,000

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    You could probably do something now without waiting for the loan to come down.  You need to get yourself a good mortgagebroker who will tell you how much money you can borrow.  There are some very good brokers on this forum.  I'm also on somersoft.com.au which also has some great brokers.

    Based on your income and equity you should be able to buy something now.

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    Keep paying down your PPOR loan and set up a split for the equity. Borrow from that new split for the deposit and costs for the new investment property. Never use your own cash, but put it into your home loan to reduce non-deductible debt asap.

    All investment loans should be interest only too.

    Once you have purchased one investment repeat the process.

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    Hi Terryw,

    Tanks for that information. Can I ask what you mean by a split for the Equity? im not sure wathis is?

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    eg. if you have a $500,000 house with a $100,000 loan left.
    Set up a second loan for $300,000.
    Have the original loan of 100,000 still, and don't mix the 2. The $400,000 can be used for investments only and it could be a LOC or a IO loan with redraw.

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    Terry
    Just wanted to check here, I am reading that the second loan is on the first home and if so I thought that would not be tax deductable. 

    I would have thought that the second property should have a 80% mortgage using the first home equity as the deposit to get the best tax savings.

    Then subsequent purchases could be bounced off the investment property.

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    Hi nico
    I have made a comment to Terry re loans but for you I would like to say that you should have no problems in owsning 5 properties by age 45.  As properties increase, the more you own the more equity build up you get:

    1 property x 10% = 10% = $300,000 = $30,000
    3 properties x 10%  = $900,000 = $90,000
    6 properties x 10% =  $1,200,000 = $120,000

    It was not so long ago that properties were increasing at over 10% a year.

    So you can see how once you have a couple of properties you quickly get the equity to purchase the next one.  This is how property investors with several properties can grow their portfolios so quickly.

    Of course there are a lot of other considerations too with loans and repayments.  But just wanted to give you an insight into possibilities.
    Good luck

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    investrental wrote:
    Terry
    Just wanted to check here, I am reading that the second loan is on the first home and if so I thought that would not be tax deductable. 

    I would have thought that the second property should have a 80% mortgage using the first home equity as the deposit to get the best tax savings.

    Then subsequent purchases could be bounced off the investment property.

    It doesn't matter what the security is but what the funds are used for. Keeping the second loan separate to the first will allow access to the equity in the home and this loan can be used solely for investments and all the interest claimed.

    Subsequent purchase should be done using the same method. As equity increases you just set up a new loan on each property and use that as deposit and costs for the next one.

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    Thanks for you comments guys…its helps alot!!!

    One this that I would like to ask, i know it might be a silly questions but i cant get my head around it;

    OK, ive read alot on this forum about how people build equity in the PPOR and then leverage off that purchase another property and so on, but if you are only paying interest only on a loan, how will you eventually own that property. I guess the key is to wait for that property to increase in value and then sell. I guess what i would like to ask is, what would be the best approch if I wanted to keep the properties or how could i eventually own the properties and just have a stream of rental income coming in that goes straight to my pocket?

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    hi Nico

    Don't worry about paying down the loans at this stage. You first want to get rid of all personal debt. So paying down an investment loan will delay this and it will end up with you paying more tax.

    Once you have paid down the PPOR loan and any other personal loans/credit cards etc then you could start paying PI for an investment. But even then i would not for a few reasons.

    IO loans are only IO for an initial period of 5 or 10 years. So if you wait they will end up being paid off anyway.
    Even if you keep newing the loan as IO you will have rising rents and the debt will be reduced in real terms by inflation.

    eg imagine you had puchased a house in Sydney in 1960 for $16,000 and kept the loan IO for the past 50 years. You would be paying $960 per year in interest. You would probably be getting $20,000 pa in rent. So with a few weeks rent you could pay off the entire loan.

    ALso think of the lower repayings of an IO compared to PI would mean you have more money available which could mean you can afford more investments.

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    Oh ok…the penny has dropped! (i still might be wrong tho)

    So what i should be doing is focusing on paying the PPOR as there are no tax advantages to that debt, keep the ivestment as IO and over time (or when the PPOR is payed off) the rent will increase on the investment along with the value. I should then change the loan on the investment to PI and it should be easier to pay off! Is that what you mean????

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    yes, basically. But you don't really need to change the loan to PI or pay it off. Personal choice I guess.

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    Cool, thanks again

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