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  • Profile photo of PavvPavv
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    @pavv
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    Hi everyone!

    I’d like to get some tips or opinions on my current situation. (Before you start reading please be aware this is a long post!)

    I am 21 years old and have been keen to get into the property game for quite a while. In mid 2008 I bought a house with my partner to live in. We are now moving to Melbourne (where we are renting) and will be renting out our property in NE Vic.
    Currently, both the property and P&I loan is in both of our names. We are looking to hold and rent the property with the option of developing units further down the track as the block is quite big.

    Property Figures:
    Purchase price 150k
    Loan amount 130k @ 5.2% Variable (And looks like on the way up)

    I have not had the property valued yet, but the real estate agent thinks she can put a tenant in for 180p/week no problem. The property was listed at 160k when we first bought it, but were able to negotiate it down to 150k. The area it is in does not have mind blowing growth, but there is strong industry and plenty of work so should be a great renter. I have looked at similar properties in the area that are for sale and others that have sold, and would estimate it to be worth around 170k.

    My partner has finished studying in 2009 and we will now both be working full time in 2010 onwards. We have decided we can allow $40k each year (after tax) to go entirely towards our investment portfolio (And plan on increasing this figure each year as we can afford it). We do not have any other debts or credit cards at all. We want to buy more properties as we can afford them without over committing ourselves. We have no desire to stop at 2 or 3 properties, so we need to be structured as though we were buying 10+ properties. We plan on buying & holding our property, although we will be keeping our options open for any opportunities that may arise.

    My question is this – What is the best possible way to structure ourselves to do this?

    From all the research I have done these are my thoughts…please correct/critic freely! (I am yet to seek expert advice)

    – Set up some sort of separate entity, something like a company and/or trust for asset protection and tax benefits.
    – Change current P&I loan to I/O and set up offset account (This may be tricky, our loan is with a credit union that have pretty much zero loan products, so this would involve shifting lenders. There may also be exit fees that need to be considered)
    – Transfer title to new entity. (I know this is possible but I am not sure if it would be viable. Even though the company would be owned by me I’d assume I would be up for stamp duty costs + solicitor fees etc.? Obviously new purchases would go under this entity but having this one property in our own name could tie us down?)
    – Pay our investment money into our offset account, and when making another purchase, draw deposit/fees from offset account and finance the remaining balance.

    As we do not carry any personal debt there is no need to max out our debts on investments to redirect cash to non-deductible loans. In saying that, because we are focusing on a long term buy & hold we are in no hurry to pay off our investment debts, so we do not need to tie up heaps of cash in our investments either. Ideally, we would like to make our portfolio cash flow neutral so we do not restrict our income for further purchases. I’m sure this is a lot easier said then done, and our tax situation will obviously play a big role in how we are geared too. Either way, this will see us chasing both good renters and property with strong growth.

    All of this means I’m going to need a good accountant and finance broker so I’ll investigate any suggestions for those too!

    Any thoughts/comments as to what I could/should be doing would be greatly appreciated.

    Many thanks in advance.

    Pavv

    Profile photo of Richard TaylorRichard Taylor
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    Hi Paw

    Firstly welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your time with us.

    Couple of answers below:

    Change current P&I loan to I/O and set up offset account (This may be tricky, our loan is with a credit union that have pretty much zero loan products, so this would involve shifting lenders. There may also be exit fees that need to be considered)

    Hate to say your current interest rate will be a lot higher than 5.2% at present. Credit Unions certainly have a place in the market but unfortunately they are pretty limited on their product base and flexibility.

    Transfer title to new entity. (I know this is possible but I am not sure if it would be viable. Even though the company would be owned by me I’d assume I would be up for stamp duty costs + solicitor fees etc.? Obviously new purchases would go under this entity but having this one property in our own name could tie us down?)

    To be honest probably not worth considering at this stage given the Stamp Duty which would be payable and the additional Land Tax. For your next few properties then certainly worth considering depending on each property individually. If you intend to develop the property then you would consider a Discretionary Family Trust (with ot without a Corporate Trustee) however if you need to rely on the negative gearing to support the repayments then this may not be the way to go.

    Pay our investment money into our offset account, and when making another purchase, draw deposit/fees from offset account and finance the remaining balance.

    Now your talking my language as I certainly like to see a 100% transactional offset account being utilised.

    I would be looking at switching the loan to Interest only (even if you have to switch lenders to be able to move forward) and linking a 100% offset account to the loan. Deposit your income and potential rent into the account and then look to use this as deposit for your future acqusitions.

    Structure is certainly important going forward so the steps you take now will serve you in good stead down the track.
    Depending on the current market value and overall lvr will determine whether you will incur LMi and this could be a consideration.

    In saying this LMI is an opportunity cost of moving forward and a small price to pay if it achieves the right goal.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

    Profile photo of PavvPavv
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    @pavv
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    Hi Richard,

    Thanks for your comments, and sorry for the late reply! I will be looking to move the loan across to an IO with 100% offset in the near future, and setting up some sort of trust for further purchases.

    Thanks again for spending the time to answer my question.

    Cheers

    Pav

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