Seminar – Mark Rolton

I'm confused as to how ASIC would know about property holdings myself.. not to say they don't, but I've not ever heard of them being involved in any way shape form or retaining that kind of information. They regulate mortgage brokers, financial advisors, publicly listed companies and such, APRA regulate deposit taking institutions and now credit providers etc, so I'm curious how, why, or indeed if, ASIC would be actually retaining that kind of information. I know they allegedly investigate groups providing financial advice (see Jamie McIntyre's early days and problems with this), and they probably 'should' be regulating seminar spruikers also (although don't)..quite curious indeed to actually see 'said' reports of said 'squeaky clean' person. Proof is in the documentation as they say. My former profession always drilled into us, verify your source, if its B2 then you're good to go.

As for what I 'think I know'..therein lies the issue. I 'think' I know it because as yet, I've not seen any proof of claims made, anywhere, by anyone, at any time, so until its proven, I can only 'think' it…mind you I have recently hit the point of not giving a f*** about them or this any more. If people still want to give their money away I know a number of great charities that will benefit from your willingness to give tens of thousands of dollars away to provide food, blankets, medical supplies, not a lease on a porsche and overseas holidays.

What I know, is how many people have contacted me offline from here and somehow directly from their courses, with experiences about Conclave, the seminars etc and could I help them get their money back.. I've declined each time for the record. What I know is the responses I got when I went and spoke to the people who were 'friends' and 'associates' and so on. What I know is I don't like being abused and threatened as I was if I ever rang them again asking about said spruiker.

Thankfully, if i 'investigate my own relationship, I can peacefully and happily say, there is none, never will be, and unless or until such time as I have documentary, legally binding, verifiable evidence to prove all claims made, that will remain the case.

I stand by my original, and ongoing comments. Do the due dilligence. Ask for proof of all claims made. If they or anyone for that matter cant, or wont, prove it, ask yourself why. iF you still part with $15-30K, then what can I tell you. Suffer in your jocks.

Peace.

I guess… people do what they want to do whatever others said. At the end of the day, you are the only person who can make the decision for yourself.

I personally don't trust Mark Rolton neither Massland because of the experience I went through with them. I also found out that the friend I made through Massland's seminars went through the similar experience to mine. They are happy to steal your deals without your knowledge and if you confront them they'll threaten and intimidate you.
Mark has usedn one of my proposed deals at his seminar, but he never intended to go through actual deal with me. And I was the joint venture partner! Some of the examples he uses aren't even his own deals. Some are like mine, it never been sealed as a deal.

I was so disappointed to have found out the above as well as gone through the experience I had, because, you  know what?, I really had a huge trust in them when I purchased the course and signed up as a joint venture and I did give a really good go for close to full 2 years bringing the potential deals one after another.

I am sharing this with others (and my friend is doing the same) because I think that I could be of some help to prevent this to happen to other people. Having said that, I am fully aware that I cannot force others not to do what they've already decided to do. So, if you decided to give this course a go, good luck to you, but be very, very careful.

WHAT YOU KNOW ALL STEMS FROM SECOND HAND INFORMATION OF OTHER PEOPLES PROBLEMS AND EXPERIENCES WITH MARK AND MASSLAND!…WHICH DOESN'T REALLY COUNT…IF YOU KNOW ENOUGH…THEN GO OFF YOUR OWN BACK AND NOT OTHERS!!….AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY COME TO YOU FOR HELP TO GET A REFUND!!….WHY DON'T THEY JUST GO TO A CURRENT AFFAIR OR TODAY TONIGHT..IF ITS THAT BAD!!…MAKE THE DAMN THING PUBLIC!!!

WHY DON'T THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH MARK AND MASSLAND..CONTACT EACH OTHER OFF THIS FORUM…AND TAKE IT TO A CURRENT AFFAIR OR TODAY TONIGHT!!

AT LEAST THE ENDLESS SAGA ON THIS FORUM WILL BE ADDRESSED!!…AND PEOPLE WILL STOP TALKING IN CIRCLES ON THIS FORUM!!

I just had a friend send me this forum and from what I read it sounds like there are mixed feelings about Mark Rolton and Massland flying around.

Although I’m jumping in mid-way, the negative press surrounding Rolton and his ventures seems to follow him around. And this area is no exception! I have watched the DVD and agree with the strategies involved, but given the unfriendly talk in this forum and others am not sure whether to pursue this either.

Do I trust the credibility of your remarks against the success of an established multi-million dollar company?
This forum suggests Mark and the people at Massland are offering things that are too hard with no support, not enough incentives (or no visible ones) and inflexible models, relies on uneducated students that are easily manipulated for a lot of money! This doesn’t really sound like a secure business model, which make me then ask….what’s all the fuss about?

Maybe it’s a risk like every other, as you mention, acquiring advanced techniques is sometimes worth the money.

Hi Massland!

An interesting response that runs inline with that of jhk’s idea of those with all the problems with massland. I want to say thanks for your inspiring works, and am impressed by your contribution to a forum like this. Indeed, those contributing their time to their properties are unlikely to be spending their free moments boasting in online forums.

Small aside – I have recently watched the free DVD that you guys are promoting and am strongly considering investing in the the Rolton 12-month Coaching Program. Need to be in the game to reap the rewards. Sitting on the side lines won’t get you very far!

Thanks again!

Thanks Phatcat!

I am a bit too tall to be a jockey. 25% is a minimum. If there is more in the deal and YOU are an equal partner in work, time commitment etc then YOU should be looking for 50% of the profit as you are doing equal work. If you are doing no work then 23% is a great return. I honestly couldn't care less about Massland or any other group promising returns and what have you. I'll go my own way and make my own money.

Phatcat, from one post telling me I am negative I would offer you nothing. Personally I don't make snap judgments about anything or anyone. And you really must have only read about 3 of my posts.

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AGREE!!!….50/50 IS WHAT YOU SHOULD LOOK FOR IN JV!!….50/50 HURT MONEY, TIME AND EFFORT = 50/50 PROFIT!!

What you said above was clearly incorrect and misleading. You weren't really trying to enlighten people were you?

APOLOGIES TO ANYONE I MAY HAVE OFFENDED!!…AS PER MODERATOR COMMENT!!

PEOPLE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT MASSLAND MAKE ALOT THROUGH SHORT OPTION DEALS OF POSITIONING THEMSELVES IN THE MARKET!…AND ONSELLING THE OPTION (WITH NO DA) TO THE BUILDER-DEVELOPER, WHO WOULD THEN OBTAIN THE DA OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS…SO THE FIGURES YOU SEE IN THE ABOVE LINK…MOST WOULD BE GROSS REVENUE THAT THE BUILDER-DEVELOPER WOULD OF MADE…AND NOT MASSLAND!! THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER STRATEGIES YOU CAN ADOPT WITH OPTIONS..ITS ALL ABOUT BEING CREATIVE!!

MASSLAND OPERATE THE SAME WAY MOST PROJECT MARKETING FIRM DO…THEY ARE NOT DEVELOPERS…JUST PROJECT MARKETERS!!!….THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!

Hi Terry,
Yeh, I know…sorry.  It must annoying to read!

I hope people don't think I'm making bold statements either with the caps..its just lazy typing..in avoiding the shift key with the pinky finger.  In the middle of publication writing with other commitments..and so writing in caps on here is a nice break from it all!

Will write normal now!