Hi I'm considering using hebel cladding on the walls and then rendering over it for single story units.
Has anyone used hebel?
An agent suggested that using hebel would reduce the value and make them harder to sell.
Any wear and tear issues, maybe there are better ways to fix it. What about fixing it to steel frames instead of timber.
Any reply would be appreciated.
Why hebel?
I initially considered using it, just throwing around ideas at the time, but decided against it because of the agents belief, now just found out that my designer left hebel on the plans instead of changing it to bricks, and the plans will need to be amended and re-submitted, possible delay of 3-4 months.
Max
You've got me confused MS. Are you building brick veneer (but with Hebel) or using 200 mm solid blockwork?
Do yourself a favour and download the Hebel Manual (or call one of the reps to bring one out to you) to get an appreciation of the product.
I have used it extensively in commercial applications – once you have had it cement rendered, you can't tell the difference, so I don't know what the agent is telling you (unless you intend to leave the material raw, which is not a good look).
Fixing picture hooks, architraves, door jambs etc to Hebel is a little bit harder as the material is soft (compared to brick) however, with the right fixings it is not a problem.
Did you select Hebel for its fire/noise rating capabilities (for the thickness) or from an aesthetic point of view?
As for durability, the surface is as soft as plasterboard until you render it. It will take a knock quite well but it is a lightweight form of construction which meets the fire codes.
Hi Scott'
Yes it's brick veneer but with hebel. I've seen that it comes in slabs about 1.2 x 500.
The plan would be to cement render and then paint it.
Initially, I considered hebel for the cost's compared to brick, which I'm now I'm not sure exactly if there is a difference after costs of rendering. Secondly, for fire/noise and I heard it had very good insulation properties contributing to, but not of itself, 5-star energy ratings. And I personally like the rendered look.
I seems your've had good experiences with hebel.
I'll down load the manual.
Thanks
Scott
Remember to price apples for apples ie rendered brickwork (ie cheap extruded brick/render) with hebel/render. I have mainly used 600 x 200 x (suitable thickness) blocks not panels for walls (although I have used reinforced panels for roofing). Is using rendered blueboard an option or will you need to achieve the fire/noise ratings?
I read the manual and decided to drop the hebel idea for this project. It's a matter of changing mid-stream, or putting my energy into the next deal. I decided the latter.
Hi all,
I need some help and am new in this forum.
I have got my DA approved for 2 stories dwelling in Sydney, NSW.
I was wondering if using Hebel for the whole house rather than coventional full brick on ground floor and brick veneer on 1st floor.
The questions I hope someone could help me out:
1. How much cheaper Hebel would be and how much time I can save in terms of man hours
The dwelling floor space will be 153.40 sq metre for ground level nd 106.50 sq metre on 1st floor.2. Is there any issue of using Hebel for external load bearing wall
3. Does anyone know project homes / builders who specialise in building with hebel.
4. What other considerration or item I should watch for.
Sorry if my questions are dumb as I have very little experience in building industry and just started my research now.
Thanking You in advance for your help.
Samuel
Try contacting one of the sales reps at CSR – they should be able to tell you who is using their product and show you a number of sites which have been built,
don't waiste your time with it is my opinion.My builder did three and never did them again.I also know someone who bought one which the hebel is now cracking.Nothing beats bricks they are proven to last.People usually use hebels on a townhouse.It's your call.I would say it is more expensive after you render it and less durable.
I recently built a garage 7.3 x 10 metres using 600 x 200 x200 hebel blocksm and a 280m2 house using 2700 x 600 x 75 "powerpanels" I laid the blocks ( much easier and faster than bricks ) and fixed the panels to the house myself saving a lot of labour costs, based on the quotes I was getting from bricks layers I saved well over $10k doing it this way. If you are paying someone to do the labour you probably won't save so much. other than cost saving there are many points in favour of using hebel including the manufacturing enviromental impact is lessened, fire rating is higher, good insulation qualities to mention the main ones.
When you get your plans drawn you need to find an architect experienced in designing around hebel, try to keep the windows as standard as possible which can get tricky as this will help keep costs down, custom window sizes add considerable cost.
Hebel was developed after ww2 and has a long history, I found it to be a great building product and would happily use it again bricks and motor do have a longer history but we need to look at alternatives and improvements to our current building methods.
Most builders I talked to wanted to stick to bricks purely because it was what they knew.
I used an acrylic render colour from http://shieldcoat.com.au/ I learned how to apply it myself and was pleased with both how easy it was to use as well as the end result, it comes with a good guaretee which is not effected by doing it yourself.Most builders I talked to wanted to stick to bricks purely because it was what they knew.
Exactly many people do not like change and even if a product is faster, cheaper and stronger they will still refuse to use it.
I had some pals go to USA to teach them how to make concrete pipes but returned because people refused to accept quality change. They produced a concrete pipe thinner , less weight of course , stronger and cheaper and still they refused to use them.Just like now I'm constructing 18 two storey units plus another 36 in the future all identical and builder I'm doing the formwork for on suspended slabs refuses to use a precast 50mm truss slab that I can produce $30 per m2 cheaper,. It has a better interior finish and is erected in 2 hours vs 3-4 days. On top of this another 2 days removing the formwork more cost.
I also produce light weight aerated concrete that is similar to Hebel but is in panels of 6mt x 3mts it also has 3x more insulation value then Block , cheaper freight cost due to less weight and fast to erect with a $25-40 saving per m2
But yet people cannot accept some thing new….it's crazyHey,
I work for a builder, only doing office admin, but I know he recommends to all clients building new homes to use hebel.
Because the carpenters can install it themselves, it works out cheaper for us, it has great insulation and looks a million dollars.They have a web site you can check out.
WT
If you build a residential home with Hebel, will it adversely impact the resale value?
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