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  • Profile photo of hilly1981hilly1981
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    Hi all,

    Myself and my wife have recently received confirmation that we have been conditionally approved for a maximum amount of $250k for our 1st PPOR. We have requested to borrow 100%.

    After reading the loan proposal docs provided, there were a couple of special conditions included that are required to be satisfied in order to receive formal approval. One of them has me slightly confused though… so I just thought I would get your feedback.

    The special condition says  'A copy of the completed contract of sale (in your full names) for the property you purchase'.

    So would this mean that I would be required to provide a signed copy of the contract of sale for formal approval to take place? Ideally I dont want to sign anything until after inspections and valuation is done and then receive the formal approval before signing the contract. Or could this just be for when I need the valuation done so they need the paperwork to identify which property it is for etc..?

    Thanks

    Profile photo of malcmorris30154malcmorris30154
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    hilly1981 wrote:
    Hi all,

    Myself and my wife have recently received confirmation that we have been conditionally approved for a maximum amount of $250k for our 1st PPOR. We have requested to borrow 100%.

    After reading the loan proposal docs provided, there were a couple of special conditions included that are required to be satisfied in order to receive formal approval. One of them has me slightly confused though… so I just thought I would get your feedback.

    The special condition says  'A copy of the completed contract of sale (in your full names) for the property you purchase'.

    So would this mean that I would be required to provide a signed copy of the contract of sale for formal approval to take place? Ideally I dont want to sign anything until after inspections and valuation is done and then receive the formal approval before signing the contract. Or could this just be for when I need the valuation done so they need the paperwork to identify which property it is for etc..?

    Thanks

    Profile photo of malcmorris30154malcmorris30154
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    malcmorris30154 wrote:
    hilly1981 wrote:
    Hi all,

    Myself and my wife have recently received confirmation that we have been conditionally approved for a maximum amount of $250k for our 1st PPOR. We have requested to borrow 100%.

    After reading the loan proposal docs provided, there were a couple of special conditions included that are required to be satisfied in order to receive formal approval. One of them has me slightly confused though… so I just thought I would get your feedback.

    The special condition says  'A copy of the completed contract of sale (in your full names) for the property you purchase'.

    So would this mean that I would be required to provide a signed copy of the contract of sale for formal approval to take place? Ideally I dont want to sign anything until after inspections and valuation is done and then receive the formal approval before signing the contract. Or could this just be for when I need the valuation done so they need the paperwork to identify which property it is for etc..?

    Thanks

    My Understanding is that the lender will not give a formal approval until the conditional approval reverts with confirmation of satisfactory valuation. If you are concerned about signing contracts then perhaps to stipulate in the contract that it is subject to satisfactory inspection and valuation reports as well as of course finance approval, this way you have an out if one of these doesn't stack up, and gives the agent a signature to present contract to the vendor. This also is a step towards taking the house of the market.

    Alternatively, you should be able to get finance organised with certain lenders, approved to the amount required on both deposit (equity or cash backed) and of course serviceability.

    This will be the key, if servicing the loan is easy in the lenders eyes, they will be more inclined to approve, where servicing is tight, they will want more detail. Naturally if they know there is a property you have in mind they will want to see the contract.

    Hope this helps

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    I'm not sure why you would want to wait until after inspections and valuations before signing – why not sign a contract subject to inspections and valuation? If you're concerned that a "subject to" offer won't be as attractive to the vendors, you can always let them know that you're conditionally approved for finance up to $250K and just covering yourself in case the property doesn't "value up".

    Warmest regards, Tracey in Brisbane

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    I'm with you Tracey, unless you are intending to buy at Auction, just sign a contract that is conditional. 
    Jodie

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    Welcome to the forum Hilly. Your loan cannot be unconditionally approved (formally approved) until you actually have a property, and of course you cannot have a property until you have signed a contract – otherwise it cannot proceed. Depending on the lender, unless you have an issue with the property valuation, this is no drama at all. Most mainstream lenders will view the contract of sale as the purchase price, and advance you funds based on that – although for high loan to value borrowings (ie, 95-100% of the purchase price) will usually get a 'valuation' done as well.
    Essentially what your lender is saying is, " you are ok, we are happy with your ability to make payments, and we are going to give you money for the property…………..when you find one and decide to buy it…"  (as long as we are happy it is worth what you are paying for it)
    All the best.

    Profile photo of hilly1981hilly1981
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    Thanks for your feedback.

    OK so if I sign a 'conditional' contract of sale, is this the actual document I would send to my lender, as well as the OSR to claim the FHOG providing the valuation and inspections come back satisfactory?

    Reason why I need to clarify this as it is my understanding the contract of sale needs to be officially modified ready for signing and exchange, which of course I wont be exchanging until I obtain formal approval. Or is the conditional agreement a different document altogether?

    Sorry if this question sounds dumb as I just want to go in their with the whole process mapped in my head, and knowing exactly what contract copy I am sending to the relavant parties etc…

    Cheers

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    v8ghia wrote:
    Welcome to the forum Hilly. Your loan cannot be unconditionally approved (formally approved) until you actually have a property, and of course you cannot have a property until you have signed a contract – otherwise it cannot proceed. Depending on the lender, unless you have an issue with the property valuation, this is no drama at all. Most mainstream lenders will view the contract of sale as the purchase price, and advance you funds based on that – although for high loan to value borrowings (ie, 95-100% of the purchase price) will usually get a 'valuation' done as well.
    Essentially what your lender is saying is, " you are ok, we are happy with your ability to make payments, and we are going to give you money for the property…………..when you find one and decide to buy it…"  (as long as we are happy it is worth what you are paying for it)
    All the best.

    Great thanks!

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    Hi Hilly! There's only one document/contract, which is the contract of sale which includes conditions, eg subject to finance within 21 days, subject to building and pest inspection to buyer's satisfaction within 14 days, etc. The contract doesn't become binding on you – the buyer – to complete it until these conditions are fulfilled. You can put in whatever conditions you want (in a normal sale situation, not in an auction), but of course the more conditions you want, the less attractive your offer is to the seller. You have to strike a balance between protecting your interests, but ensuring the seller still sees your offer as attractive. Generally, the more conditions you put in, the higher the price you need to offer. ie If you offer to purchase unconditionally from the outset, you can perhaps obtain a significant discount on the purchase price. If you have pretty straightforward conditions like "subject to finance", you can still negotiate a reasonably favourable price, but if you have things like "subject to sale of my previous home" or other things that make the contract fairly likely to fall through, you would have to pay pretty close to the asking price (depending on the desperation or otherwise of the vendor).

    Get your solicitor to look at the contract before signing it, and make sure it includes the conditions needed to protect your position. (I, and I'm sure many other investors, don't normally bother with this anymore because I now have pretty much standard clauses, but particularly when you're starting out it's a good precaution.)

    Then as soon as you've signed the contract, including the conditions, normally your real estate agent will give a copy to each person's solicitor (yours and the sellers) and they begin communicating. The process is that within the time periods specified, you must advise your solicitor to advise the seller's solicitor that the various conditions have been satisfied. eg Before 14 days are up, you have to advise that you're happy with the outcome and willing to proceed, or that you're willing to proceed provided certain repairs are carried out etc. And before the 21 days (in this example) are up, you have to advise that you do have final approval on your loan, and once all the conditions are satisfied, the contract is then "unconditional" and both parties are bound to proceed with the transfer.

    Your solicitor will normally remind you, but make sure that you do advise that the conditions are satisfied within the time periods, because if it rolls around to the 15th day and you haven't advised that inspections were satisfactory, the vendor could – if they wanted – pull out of the contract. Normally they wouldn't, but if another prospective buyer has popped up during that time who is willing to pay more, you could miss out on the deal.

    Best wishes, Tracey in Brisbane

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    Brilliant! Thank you for this. I appreciate the time you have taken to explain this to me. It all makes sense now.

    Cheers!

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    If you are going to put a finance clause int the contract, it is best to name a lender and the amount. This should allow you easy exit if declined. If you just put something vague, the vendor could find you finance, at a higher rate, and you may be locked in.

    Also remember for a contract (for land) to be enforceable they need your signature on a contract. If you have theirs, but they don't have your's they cannot enforce it.

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    Terry

    Not sure about NSW but in Qld Finance has to be on Terms acceptable to the Purchaser.

    This was introduced to stop Vendors saying they would offer finance on Terms such as an installment contract something which may not have been palatable to the Buyer.

    Richard Taylor | Australia's leading private lender

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