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  • Profile photo of andrea01andrea01
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    Hi,

    I was wondering if people think that the chances of finding a pc property is becoming highly unlikely in victoria or even australia.

    We don’t know if to just go for a negatively geared property and accept that it’s better than doing nothing.

    Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

    Andrea

    Profile photo of Don NicolussiDon Nicolussi
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    hi andrea – if you have a look at the australian property investor there is a list of rental yields in the different states. There are places in qld and sa with rental yields in the 8’s and 9’s. We started a thread in another spot to see if any forum members are investing in these locations.

    If the average (was it average or median) yield is 8 you would image that there are individual properties achieving well into the 10’s and possibly higher. So in answeer to your question I would have to say – probably yes.

    You would hope that in areas that are even 7% yields there would be forum members out there getting 10% plus yields.

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    Hi Andrea,
    I agree with DLPP. Positive cash flow properties are still out there but are getting harder to find. You will typically find them in regional towns.
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    Profile photo of L.A AussieL.A Aussie
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    Straight pos cashflow properties are about as common as an honest politician these days.

    However, you can buy a ‘standard’ purchase property that is pos cashflow after tax if you look hard enough.

    But you need a few important factors for it to happen –
    1. A high tax bracket income helps, but is not essential.
    2. The rent return would have to be at least 1% higher than the current interest rates (2% would be better).
    3. The building has to be built after 1987 to be eligible for the ‘special building write-off’, as well as other depreciative items in the property.
    4. On that note, you need to also get a quantity surveyor to prepare a ‘depreciation schedule’ for your accountant to use in the tax return preparation.
    5. Putting down a larger cash deposit will also get you over the line.
    6. Look for ways to increase the rent by adding value, such as repainting, new carpets, built in robes etc.
    7. Finally, keep trying to pay down the debt. I know that a lot of people advocate not paying down deductable loans, and I think you should clear any personal debt before starting on the Investment debt, but the less debt you have, the more likely you are to be making a profit.

    The trick with an ‘after tax’ profit is you start with an ‘on paper loss’, but end up with a profit after tax that is not taxable. Now that’s nice.

    A combination of all the above factors would still get you there in many areas.

    If you read all the Margaret Lomas books she explains very clearly how to go about it.

    At the end of the day, even a neg geared property is better than doing nothing, as it is a forced saving, but only buy for neg gearing in a high cap growth area to offset the neg cashflow.

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    l think they’re everywhere but then l do look for what most think are weird combo’s .
    What l’ve done with the only two l have now, one’s my own place, is always look for stuff with 3 or 4 options. Land, extra buildings , subdivide potential anything you might be able to turn into an extra rental , 2 even , divide up – build extra on , sell off .
    So many places around with big blocks for the same price or extra buildings most people don’t want.
    Mind you , things l’m trying aren’t quite at the giving fruit stage yet ,perhaps l should keep my mouth shut and check back in 12 mths .

    Cheers.

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    I think it will be worth keeping an eye on the market as we are seeing rental yields increasing across the country. However I would strongly advise against buying in small country towns the likelyhood is that prices may go down. More people are also moving out of country areas.

    I thought it was easy to buy here I would not have established myself in the United States.

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