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  • Profile photo of Lady BugLady Bug
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    Hi Investors
    I’m wondering if there is anyone from Perth who knows of a good Accountant that has helped set up a Family Trust for a reasonable fee. I have approached an accountant to set up a Family Trust and a 26 page documents has been prepared. The problem I am having is understanding the legal jargon and the accountant is unable to answer and advise what each section of the document actually means. I am reluctant to sign anything I don’t understand (for obvious reasons). They have since invoiced me for their service but I’m at a loss on what to do next. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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    Lady Bug

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    Lady Bug

    Have a look at http://www.cleardocs.com.au they have a great online site and does not cost a fortune. if you now what you want completion of the information is a breeze.

    Hope it helps.

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    Hi LadyBug,

    I used RMG Accounting in Subiaco. Their details are on their website. Sorry, I don’t have them in front of me right now. They were really helpful in answering questions I had in relation to the family trust docs.

    It’s odd your accountant won’t help. Any reason why? Maybe they are recommending you seek legal advice before signing?

    Good luck anyway!
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    Get wealth Guardian. Will explain in detail the benifets of discretionary trusts in relation to property investing.
    This will empower you as to what you want.

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    I can recommend RMG as well and use Phillips services.

    Why a Family Trust though..any particular reason?

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    Have a look at Brett Davies Lawyers. they are in Perth. http://www.lawcentral.com.au

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    Originally posted by Terryw:

    Have a look at Brett Davies Lawyers. they are in Perth. http://www.lawcentral.com.au

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    I’ve heard great feedback about them also..

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    Amazing that you should post this question as I was with Patrick from RMG Accounting in Subiaco only yesterday after waiting for weeks to get in to see him.

    I was enquiring about trusts and which way to go and he suggested a Family Trust which he can set up for $450 – I thought that was very reasonable considering some of the posts in this forum where costs have been $1000 – $2500 depending on what trusts of course.

    Patrick was recommended to me by the Investors Club so if he doesn’t know property then I don’t know who would! But be warned – he is extremely busy!!

    Good Luck
    Anita

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    Please remember a Family Trust can only carry losses Forward Anita..hence the popularity of HDT’s with Investors as you can Negative Gear

    RMG dont do HDT’s..Its worth speaking to a professional and get the right structure for your goals.

    Your right Family Trusts are cheaper

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    hi Lady Bug
    couple of things
    a trust should cost 1,000 or 2.500 its around 200
    a company is around 1,000 to 1,250.
    as redwing says is right with disc trust but they are good as a base trust if you are to feed into this trust from other trust Ie make this your family/super trust which shouldn’t have losses or be negative geared another arm is used for this purpose.
    if your accountant or advicer doesn’t do all types of trusts here is a few.
    discretionary, family,unit,hybrid,bear, and sole,
    ask about all if not familiar find some one over there that is.
    as for busy, we all are busy people, book a time
    redwing not sure about your costs as all should be the same they are for me.
    all structures are different and I highly recommend that you don’t use my, redwing,psychic26296 etc or anyone else’s structure get one made for you and if the person doing the job doesn’t know what or how to do it get someone that does.
    one last thing this is the most important part of anything that you are going to do in investing if that is what you are wishing to do.
    so make sure you do it right.
    I would ask not for them to sent up a family trust but what they would recommend to set up and in your conversation ask what these types of trust are and see how you go.
    and good luck

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    Even if you will not have a loss, a hybrid trust may still be worth considering due to other benefits including hte refinancing principle.

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    It will depend on what you want to do now and in the future. Sometimes a cheap trust is followed be large ongoing fees.
    Also, you will never know just how good a trust is untill it is tried is court.

    Price is not the most iportant factor is setting a structure in place.

    A Family Trust can only distribute funds to family members.
    A Discretionary Trust can distribute funds to anyone or any entity, as can a Hybrid Trust. Some believe that Hybrid Trusts are overused, and are overcomplicated.

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    hi cata
    yes a minor problem that set up a family strust for non family member hence i did put disc and family separate I think if you have some one with in your group of fellow people in wa lady bug couple do with a few names and as i said it is very important that the structure is right its no good havong a family trust with your builder mate or a discretionary trsust with you brother.
    its like a mini and a prime mover yes they both drive down the road but the mini can’t pull the trailer and the prime mover can’t get into the garage.
    each is different and has its own use.
    maybe lady bird pm cata or post here what you want and he can help.
    not sure his cost but cheaper then me.

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