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    Thanks to Marc for the great articles on propertytalk..

    I found this to be interesting..and still trying to comprehend it and possible applications..

    Gifting to a Trust – Where are we at?

    by Tony Fortune – Fortune Manning

    Most assets transferred to a trust, at least in the early years of the trust’s existence, involve a debt to the vendor of the asset or to the provider of the funds for the asset purchase. Where that debt is in favour of the settlor of the trust a gifting programme is usually put in place to clear the debt over a period of years at $27,000 per year. Most assets transferred to a trust, at least in the early years of the trust’s existence, involve a debt to the vendor of the asset or to the provider of the funds for the asset purchase. Where that debt is in favour of the settlor of the trust a gifting programme is usually put in place to clear the debt over a period of years at $27,000 per year.

    The law relating to such gifting programmes changed on 19 May 1999. There are now no adverse tax consequences as a result of debt forgiveness for a trust where:

    the creditor is a natural person who forgives the debt owing by a trust (whether in a will or otherwise);
    and the trust was established primarily to benefit:
    one or more natural persons for whom the creditor has natural love and affection; or
    a charity; or
    both of the above.
    Where a trustee makes a distribution to a beneficiary which does not come within the above categories, the trustee is deemed to have received gross income to the extent that the distribution is less than or equal to the total amount of debts forgiven by creditors to the trust. This gross income is taxable and should be returned in the year the distribution is made.

    Therefore, a gift in reduction of debt only gives rise to tax consequences when distributions are actually made to beneficiaries outside the categories listed above.

    When contemplating a gift, settlors/creditors must look at whether the trust was actually established primarily to benefit the persons described above. Trust documents, trustee minutes or a memorandum of wishes of the settlor should indicate which beneficiaries fall into the above categories.

    A gift of $27,000 in reduction of debt will create a tax liability for the trust of $9,000 upon distribution from the trust to a beneficiary for whom the settlor/creditor does not have natural love and affection.

    The alternative to a gift in reduction of debt is for the creditor to give $27,000 to the trust in cash and subsequently the trust reduces the debt to the creditor by a cash payment. This option of course relies on the creditor having the cash to give to the trust and the trust having a bank account. An overdraft facility may need to be arranged. However care must be taken when considering this option and it must be implemented carefully to ensure that the debt repayment is not considered to be a form of tax avoidance.

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    I would just like to point out the above is from a New Zealand website.

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    Terryw,

    are you saying it wont be legal in OZZ?

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    Calvin

    No. Just that the laws are different over there, and since most people are aussie here (?) they may not have realised it was from over there

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    Cata you out there..if so, is this applicable in OZ?

    reading Phil Jones new Book (NZ) at the moment and it mentions……..

    “” The concept of a Trust is that you sell assets to the trust at market value and set up an IOU. gradually you gift the value of the assets to the trust at $27k per year until the debt has disappeared tax free and you own nothing in your own name”

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    As far as I am awear Redwing, the cost of a “Deed of Love Gift” is the only cost involved for an Australian gift, if it is done correctly.

    I would try to stick to books written by and for Australians if you are investing in Aus. This will avoid some confusion as Terry has said, the laws are different.

    Seek profesional advice for your presonal situation.

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    thanks Cata,

    I was looking at a NZ deal in a major area as well the other day hence the NZ queries of late.

    Would a NZ trust need to be set up for NZ properties or could you establish and use one trust for Aus and NZ IP’s ?

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    I don’t know Redwing as I have had nothing to do with NZ property or trusts.

    My gut opinion is- I think you could buy in an Aus trust (this will give you the tax benifits when the profit is returned to you), but not sure how this will affect any NZ asset protection structures you may have. I don’t see why an Aus trust or company can’t be a director of a NZ trustee.

    You should talk with someone who is familar with NZ structures.

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