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  • Profile photo of Ricksters12Ricksters12
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    Good Day to all,

    I heard from someone few weeks ago that you can use your super to purchase residential property. Does anyone have any info about this? Hope you hear from you soon

    Have a good day all

    Rickster12

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    I have a self managed super fund and I have bought property in my fund….but…..a super fund can not borrow money so it must buy outright the property and be able to cover costs. In saying this you need to be looking at a good return to make it a worthy investment.

    GGG

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    Thanks GGG for the info. I think you can only used your super to buy property to reside in not for investment.

    Regards

    Ricky

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    HI there, my acctant advisd you can buy resi property with SF but as youa re to keep arms length from the SF until you retire, I don’t think you can live in it -best spk to your acctant about that one.

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    Ricksters12,

    Any move I make in my self managed fund I get professional advice as the rules as so complicated and stringent.
    My way of thinking, correct me if I am wrong, is that I wouldn’t want to lock up a PPOR into my super fund as I would not then be able to use all that equity for deposits on numerous investment properties.

    My investment was a block of land on the lake front in Wanaka New Zealand and at the time the easiest/quickest way for me to settle(so I thought then) was using available funds in SF…paid $140K 3 years ago..just rec’d offer of $300K…one of my better investment decisions for gain…but … must admit now, I would dearly love to have that built up equity as deposits on more property but it is locked away in the fund (can’t borrow against it!!)

    I am still happy with the investment choice but probably should have handled the financing better!! AAAahhhhhh…ya live and learn from every experience.

    GGG

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    Hi Rickster12,

    We self manage our own super fund and had enough funds to purchase outright a property in Singleton last year, GGG is right your super fund cannot borrow any monies. Good luck investing,

    Vyvyen

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    Hi Guys,
    surely your Superfund could lend you the funds to buy property?

    Regards,
    Steve G

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    Steve

    Afraid not. In the oldern dark days you used to be able to purchase a commercial property and rent it to yourself paying your SMSF the rent.

    You also used to be able to purchase the property in conjunction with your Unit Trust and borrow funds in the UT name as a proportion to the ownership percentage.

    All such loop holes have now closed.

    However still many things you can do in a SMSF including wrapping. I have 4/5 properties in my SMSF which i have wrapped and enjoyed the higher rate of return.

    Just have to be careful that what you do is not classsifed as running a business or trade.

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    check out http://www.chrisbatten.com.au for some more stuff on SMSFs and buying property.

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    Hi Rickster

    We have a great resource on our site covering SMSF’s, SMSF Faq’s, Can do and cant do’s have a look it is great read…..see how you go. You may even like to make a posing under the superannuation section of our forum

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    http://www.imperator.com.au Imperator Financial is Australia’s most comprehensive consumer financial information and financial planner referral service. We also have a number of other resources including SMSF’s http://www.imperator.com.au/superannuation/smsf.asp info, Legal Will, Power of Attorney, Grant of Probate and Prenuptial Agreement Kits http://www.imperator.com.au/legalkits.asp , Finance Forum http://www.imperator.com.au/finance_forum/ and more.

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    Here is one to think about.

    SMSF buys units in a Hybrid trust(some SMSF can do this). Hybrid tust uses monies as deposit for IP.

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    Sorry Cata good idea but u can’t do … see u in jail, not me.

    resi

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    Hi resiwealth.

    I have seen it done legally. I believe it depends on the Super Fund Deed, but I do not know any more.

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    hi Ricksters12
    have a chat with cata or coastymike to structure it correctly but you may need two trusts one a unit trust to purchase the property in a name (my favourite is a company above but they can work that out.)the money investered into this trust is from a self managed super fund again can be a trust which would get a return from the first.when the property is payed off it flows thru the trust and one oif the unit holders is the super fund trust which can be added at any time.
    Cata can you email me at [email protected]
    with regard to another post on why you would by land in a different entity to the developer.
    Ricksters12 you can email me to the above and will talk to one of my guys and he may have a structure you can use make sure you put your name fromn here as I get lot of emails.

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    Rick – i wouldn’t good luck … resi

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    hi interesting subject area…
    having just spend 2 years on an tax audit with the ato and spending $30,000 in accountant fees cleaning up and complying with the ato rules on super, the only advice i can give u is stay away from it….the penalities are too great
    harry

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    Yes, a SMSF can buy units in a hybrid trust provided the relevant SMSF deed includes this investment power (as most do) and the manner of investment is not contrary to any of the provisions of the SIS Legislation.

    However I am not a specialists in SMSFs and I suggest you seek further advice.

    CATA
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    Hi Everyone,
    We have a SMSF and have used it in partnership with ourselves, we purchased a property and did not have to borrow at the time, doubled our money in 14 months and sold. Here is the good part, super fund is only liable for 15% CGT on 50% profit which is split up amoungst 3 partners ( my wife, myself and SMSF ).My wife and I are taxed at usual rate on third of 50% profit. At the time the property was blue chip, but no income, so it was good to own it outright. Not using it for property at the moment, but handy to have as a partner.

    Don

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    Hi all, Hi Rickster,

    There are numerous ways in which you can invest in Property through a Self Managed Fund, but most of our clients steer clear of purchasing a direct property through their SMSF.

    It can be a bad idea because –
    a) you lose the power to levergae off the property and lose the equity as SMSF’s investments can’t have any debt attached
    b) accounting fees build up considerably
    c) it can draw the eye of the ATO and if done incorrectly you can loose up to half your super and face jail time
    d) as well as the Sole Purpose Test and Arms Lenght rulings you may also incur the ATO rath due to a lack of fund diversification

    Other ways in which our clients get involved in property is through

    a) Managed Funds that offer Listed/Direct Property
    b) Unlisted/listed Direct Property Trusts
    c) Direct Development Funds
    d) Property Syndicates (small and large)

    There are numerous ways in which you can invest in property but my research has lead me to one conclusion – its a great idea, its what most people want to do but most of the time its a no-go

    An area where you should definately seek independant advice.

    Hope that helps. Feel free to email me if you have any other SMSF questions.

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