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Yes folks, I am up for Land Tax in NSW.
So the good news for Christmas is that … rent is up to pay for it.
What? Did you think I was going to pay for it?
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcHi
How much do you have to pay and how is it worked out.?
boobooLand tax is calculated on the combined value of all taxable land, owned.
Less than 400k = 0.4 cent for each dollar EVERY YEAR
Less than 500k = $1600 PLUS 0.6c per dollar above 400k
More than $500k = $2200 + 1.4 cent above $500kOf course the form says that you can “claim for an exemption for your own home” (how generous) and Mr Carr may just grace you with a “concession”. Thank you Milord, can I have a senior’s card with that?
Of course if you are as filthy as I am and happen to have a better than 3 bed brick venieer in the western suburbs, you are up for land tax on your own home as well. Cheers!
A clear case of a Robin Hood comunist governemt robbing the successful to give to … who was the last one? Papua?
Steve, I REALY need a puking smilie here…..$10 increase per property may just cover the cost of this latest robbery.
Happy Christmas.
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MarcThis land tax really gives me the…… Just wait for the new valuations to be developed by the “valuer general”. When more money is needed the govt will only need to adjust valuations a percentage point or two. The perception is that only people with money will be affected & not the so called battler. Raise rents so that the cost is passed on to those that voted for this govt.
the only thing that saved me with the land tax was i lived in it for a couple of years before renting it out. i get a six year waiver (i think) but i suspect june next year when the new taxes come in i will be up for it. not 100% sure to tell you the truth, if so my rent will go up 15 dollars a week.
it one of six units, and buggered if i can find a land valuation anywhere for it!
cheers
shaunLead, Follow or get out of the bloody way
What if the market will not tolerate a rent increase?
Ya know? Supply and demand?
if the market cant handle it?
well i guess we will be in for some turbulent times!
ie people cant afford rent, neither can they afford to buy, prices drop both on rents and house prices, a correction of some sort will have to occur.
this land tax is just forcing the issue.shaun
Lead, Follow or get out of the bloody way
I just recently received this email from my accountant explaining the land tax.
Hope this is of some help to anyone confused about the land tax payable on their investment properties.It is essentially a tax on the value of land held as at 31 December each year
The office of state revenue determine the value of land for assessment purposes based upon council valuations and any land owner has a right to objection if they feel the valuation is incorrect
The land that is part of the home you live in – your principal residence – is generally exempt from land tax
The exception to this exemption is if your land value is $1.970million or more (2004 figures)
Please note that should you ever be in a position where your principal residence is subject to land tax then this property is assessed separately to any other property that you may hold (on own or jointly) at that time
If land held with an investment property and the value of the land is less that $316,999 (for 2004) then there is no land tax liability – remember it is the land value and not the market value of the whole property you look at
If land held with an investment property is valued at more than $316,999 (for 2004) then land tax is payable at $100 plus 1.7% of the excess over $317,000
I have quoted the NSW land tax rates for you above. Land tax is a state tax therefore should you buy a property and land in any other state of Australia a different threshold and rate will apply ( more information to digest should you invest interstate!)
Cheers!Seems like your accountant might not have caught up with the changes that take efect from 1st Jan 2005
Hi, does this land tax apply in every state ? Queensland ?
Yes each state has its own different land tax regime with some aggregating interstate properties as well for determining the amounts payable. Each state government should have a list of rates etc on its websites in NSW its the Office of State Revenue.
The difference with the new NSW system from 1 January is that virtually all properties other than principal residences will pay it now (I have heard estimates from OSR staff that there will be 300,000 new land tax payers in NSW who would never have paid a cent previously.
I had 6 properties under the old system that still were under the threshhold for payment last year (plus a half share in 5 in a separate company.
As far a rent increases go I think at best it gives you an excuse for a small raise but in the end market conditions will determine whether you succeed. The higher costs followinmg GST and higher strata levies etc in Sydney basically did not get passed on with most rents slighly lower over the past couple of years due to supply issues.
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Michael
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Originally posted by Junkers:I just recently received this email from my accountant explaining the land tax.
Hope this is of some help to anyone confused about the land tax payable on their investment properties.It is essentially a tax on the value of land held as at 31 December each year
The office of state revenue determine the value of land for assessment purposes based upon council valuations and any land owner has a right to objection if they feel the valuation is incorrect
The land that is part of the home you live in – your principal residence – is generally exempt from land tax
The exception to this exemption is if your land value is $1.970million or more (2004 figures)
Please note that should you ever be in a position where your principal residence is subject to land tax then this property is assessed separately to any other property that you may hold (on own or jointly) at that time
If land held with an investment property and the value of the land is less that $316,999 (for 2004) then there is no land tax liability – remember it is the land value and not the market value of the whole property you look at
If land held with an investment property is valued at more than $316,999 (for 2004) then land tax is payable at $100 plus 1.7% of the excess over $317,000
I have quoted the NSW land tax rates for you above. Land tax is a state tax therefore should you buy a property and land in any other state of Australia a different threshold and rate will apply ( more information to digest should you invest interstate!)
Cheers!The above is wrong or outdated information
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by wayneL:What if the market will not tolerate a rent increase?
Ya know? Supply and demand?Ignoring the sarcasm…[baaa]…….It is my opinion that the rental market, as it is dominated by a vast majority of landlords that only hold one property, it is far too sheepish to take aggressive action to protect the income level necessary to keep investments viable.
RE agents also discourage rent increases, on the reasoning that a rent increase may force a tenant out and leave the property vacant for some weeks, and such loss may need a year to be recovered.
What the investor and his agent seem to miss all the time is that undervaluing the properties’ rent value, undervalues the property. It is that simple. Of course each case must be judged on it’s merits and there are special circumstance but in general think what sells better: Brick veneer 3 bed. cottage, rent $250 per week…..or…. Brick veneer 3 bed. cottage, rent $190 per week ?
I had tenants blackmailing the RE agent for $5 rent increase. I say invariably, let them go! I rather lose a few weeks rent and have a property with a higher rent tag, then a lower one and a tenant that is unhappy, plus I feel I make a small contribution to restore the market value. After all if an investment cannot make what it would in a term deposit, we are talking about a real lousy investment.
May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcOriginally posted by Marc1:Originally posted by wayneL:What if the market will not tolerate a rent increase?
Ya know? Supply and demand?Ignoring the sarcasm…[baaa]……
Me? Sarcastic? Never!
But I’m wondering why you would not be satified with the ludicrous leveredged capital gains and favourable tax treatment of your investments.
Pigheadedness (from both landlord and tenant)causes untold unnecessary costs for both tenant and landlord.
Because the Governent has targeted you for some easy tax dollars to fund worthy programs you seek to transfer that insignificant pain to your tenants, for who(m?) the pain may be more significant…most unchristian of you!
ROFL I’m sounding like a socialist now.
Cheers
Disclaimer: The views of the above are not necessarily the views of the author (particularly those regarding tax). I reserve the right to change said views as circumstances dictate. LOL
But I’m wondering why you would not be satisfied with the ludicrous leveraged capital gains and favourable tax treatment of your investments.
Perhaps you fail to see property investment as for what it is, a business, like 95% of the rest of investors who are amateurs, and buy a second property for tax purposes.
Any other business would be up in arms if a new tax as this would be thrown at them regardless of how profitable they are.
The purpose of any business, as universally accepted, is making money. Not so property investing, where the owner apparently should be content with the “exorbitant” price increases engineered by property investors who plot between dusk and dawn specifically to make the poor first home buyer suffer. (This explains why the government rushes to distort the market with first home buyers grants).
Plus, as we all know, property investors are filthy rich people who don’t have anything better to do than squeeze the poor tenant out of his hard earned dollars whilst relaxing on their yacht decks smoking Cuban cigars.Because the Government has targeted you for some easy tax dollars to fund worthy programs you seek to transfer that insignificant pain to your tenants, for who(m?) the pain may be more significant…most unchristian of you!
You throw around a few concepts here, in an attempt at humour. What you perhaps do not know is that humour usually is an escape valve of our subconscious to say what we really think but are afraid to say seriously. In other words what you joke about is usually what you really think.
The government has targeted property investors because they are percieved as a soft target, sheep, amateurs, in their vast majority easy target and will not react because most think they are doing fantastic with capital gain. They are not united and are usually ill advised by their agents.
The causes supported by the NSW government are more often then not, not worthy of spending my money on, whilst essential infrastructure is neglected. Example Hospitals where share responsibility with the federal government makes it a no go zone. Any improvement may be counted as the opposition’s win so let it die. Better spend it on building a park whilst releasing land for 100,000 further homes in the south west where roads and public transport don’t exist.Your definition of land tax as insignificant for the owner and very significant for the tenant only shows how far removed from a business approach your mind is. If peanuts price increases by 10c and the Marsbars price goes up for that reason, no one would apply such logic that the owners of the Marsbar factory are rich enough to keep the price down and not hurting the poor kid that must come up with 10c more.
As far as Christianity being incompatible with good business practice, that is another fallacy. This distorted ideas usually accompanied by bible snippets, stem from people who usually have no affiliation with Christianity themselves but feel the target of criticism when Christian principles are promoted, and find this the proper way to retaliate.
Does not deserve a longer answer really.May God prosper you always.[biggrin]
MarcOoppps….sorry about the misleading information….I will get onto my accountant and tell her that it wasn’t right.
This is why I read this forum…I have been living under a rock for the past few months (namely, have just had a baby), so haven’t heard about the tax changes. Thanks for picking me up on it.Hehe, I knew that’d wind you up.
But there ya go psycho-analysing people again! Have you done a three day course or something? Didn’t they tell you how to recognise tongue in cheek…or is that in the special 5 day boot camp?
Don’t tell my mates at the Che Guevara club, but I agree with you. Rents are way too cheap in this country….or, houses are way too expensive….or both!
But both of these are the result of market forces…supply and demand. You can only charge what the market will bear. Otherwise rental returns would be much higher already.
I also knew I would recieve a sermon on business principles. But you needn’t of bothered. I’m a true capitalist, a mercenary trader. I analyse businesses for a living. I know what is necessary to turn a decent profit. I also know that there are no peanuts in Mars Bars. LOL
I also don’t really think much of what the government does is worthy, and whinge bitterly about how much they extort from me.
So there ya go! You don’t really know me at all and make a fool of yourself with your amatuer psycho-analysis. Subconcious relief valve ideed!
Christian values; hmmmmm I recall in the book of Acts something about pooling resources and each according to need…or something like that. Sounded like a hippy commune except they killed the ones hiding a bit of extra loot.
On Christianity; do you think the American religious right are being good christians? Or is that allowed?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance25.html
Cheers
Marc1,
Your last post was absolutely spot on!
I have been paying land tax on my IP’s since 1987 and its a tax that isn’t easy to pass onto tenants. Although, over time, landloards do raise the rent to cope.
All
Landtax what a rip off! This year our land tax bill reached over $10,000. This is due to the exponential increase in rate as the number and hence aggregate value of all properties held increases.
We cannot afford to hold any longer and so are forced to sell down. Sure the capital values have increased but the cashflow does not support this sort of financial impost.
Passing this cost onto tenants is a nice idea but not practical. The rents would need to rise about 25%!
If there really has to be a Land Tax then I believe it should be levied on a property by property basis, not aggregate value. I won’t be holding my breath waiting for that one.
Sometimes I think the government would prefer that we don’t provide for our own retirement.SMTM
I expect my investments to return a certain “yield”. As far as property is concerned, the easiest way to adjust this yield for unexpected changes is to adjust rents. I expect all my properties to experience an increase in rents.
Having a few years experience has taught me to never accumulate too many things, including property, so that it can be targeted by the govt or banks etc. It is often best to explore legal avenues such as trusts, companies and partnerships. This has.fortunately, avoided some of the exponential effect of the land tax.
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