Thank you all sooooo much….
I really enjoyed reading each of your posts. You are all are great bunch…and this is reflected in your comments.
I did not feel I was being “pounced” on (not in a nasty way, anyhow..LOL), and thoroughly enjoyed reading the diversity of people’s opinions.
Now, what did I do at this auction??????????
I stopped bidding; no….not out of sympathy, but because I thought the property was fastly becoming “overpriced” and even though I may have been able to knock them out, I don’t believe in spending money just to prove a point!!! At the end of the day, I have to remember, I am viewing the place as an “investment” and spending too is not wise. Maybe the situation would have been different if I were wanting it for my PPOR (thus introducing the emotional element) but as it stood, (con or not) they got the house, but from the expression on the husband’s face, it was not what he considered “a bargain”….oh well, that makes 2 of us, as I certainly didn’t think so either.
Many thanks again…..and don’t let it end there. It was fun.
Jo
Hi Monopoly,
sorry about the ‘sad’ bit if you took offence to it.
I LIVE for someone opinionated and strong enough to have a bit of back and forth with.So now let’s go a little deeper into what I wrote and why. On re-reading your post, it seemed you were looking for…reinforcement that you CAN be moral and make money. A little like a post of yours on a thread elsewhere, from memory.
So it’s a subject you are interested in. (me too!) BUT BUT BUT there were a couple of what they call ‘hidden biases’ which I must have picked up on.
On re-reading they’re quite appparent :
One: ‘the issue of operating strictly in the name of making money, or being more moralistic in one’s behaviour’ says it clearly. Because you used the word OR.
I might have said the opposite of ‘operating strictly in the name of making money’ is ‘operating strictly in the name of losing money’ or perhaps ‘operating extremely loosely when it comes to money’….but you said the opposite of making money is ‘being more moralistic in one’s behaviour’. y’see. that’s your bias.
you also called this whole thread making money VERSUS morals.
So although everything after that read as though (like me) you think it’s possible to have good morals and make money, the HIDDEN BIAS that ran through – because of the OR and the VERSUS – shows that YOU, underneath, believe there is a conflict. That the conflict is within yourself, actually.
Sorry if this sounds too deep and i didn’t really analyse it that much at the time, but in my experience when you touch a nerve with someone it’s because you actually touched a bit that hurt.
so not judging you. I think you are searching your own soul, so to speak, though
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Minimogul,
1. I did not take offense to your “sad” remark.
2. There is some truth to your analysis of my writing.I do believe that you can make money and still be moral in your actions (at the same time); I know, I have done it…LOL.
The bias that you refer to is not entirely the result of internal conflict as you outline. Although, I do question myself, my actions and even thought processes at times, especially as I am guilty of the “analysis-paralysis” syndrome every now and again, which probably stems from my psych background.
I can’t say I really gave too much thought to the somantics of the words I chose, however I must commend you on your brillant insight….you are not entirely off the track, and I daresay, have uncovered some of my weaknesses??? LOL
Seriously, I appreciate your opinion, and thank you for your analysis, it certainly made me think!!
Regards,
Jo
Aren’t Morals the teeth right at the back of your mouth ??[biggrin]
I’d buy the IP, offer it to them as a rental, pointing out they would be better financialy to ‘rent’ and buy a cheaper IP with thier hard earned dolllar$
[cap]
*Joking*
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“Money is a currency, like electricity and it requires momentum to make it Effective”
Count The Currency With This Online Positive Cashflow Calculatormarc 1 – your story reminds me of the crusades, or all the missionaries who have helped distort the natural way of things in various parts of the world.
not that i wanna start a religious arguement but the story of jesus’s followers (not jesus) is hardly abt leaving things to take there natural course
you linked the two together…..
Exactly, Aussierogue. The ‘Christians’ acted in the same manner as what today appears to be the Muslim attitude.
Convert or else ‘off with your head’.
Changing the subject a bit, I agree 100% that we don’t really know whether the consequences of our ‘good deed’ are really beneficial to the recipient.
A good example would be a tenant who doesn’t pay the rent. If we are lax and accept their explanations (read ‘excuses’) for not paying because we feel sorry for them they will only get themselves further deeper into the you know what as the rent meter keeps ticking over.
The next thing you’ll know is that one gets oneself into trouble and as a consequence many other (innocent ) people may well get hurt.
All because one wanted to feel good, wanted to be charitable, whilst in the process often totally ignoring one’s obligations to other people.
Pisces
Not wanting to as aussierogue put it, “start a religious argument”, but I feel I should make a quick defence of christ’s teachings.
(i) The crusades, not to mention the spanish inquistion, were indeed terrible, but what is noteworthy is that they blatantly betrayed the highest teaching of christ ‘love thy neighbour’. This is in contrast to what pisces notes as today’s ‘muslim attitude’ in that their behaviour is jihad and supported by both Muhammed’s teachings and actions.
(ii) I don’t think there is a ‘natural way of things’ with regards to ideology aussierogue. People often assume that everyone was very happy before the missionaries arrived, but a quick look at the history books reveals the falacy of this and that the work the missionaries did was overwhelmingly positive.Sorry for the divergence Monopoly.
Regards,
SiHi Guys
well while we are off the topic
Pisces i just want to say be careful the way you unintentionally ? portrayed Muslims, the ones i have meet are not like that at all, lets not steriotype all Muslims as murderous terrorist. By the way i’m not a Muslim but a committed Christian.regards westan
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sibo – i never said ‘they’ were ‘happy’ b4 the christians arrived. nor did i question christs teaching. i questioned the methods of some of christs followers…..
plus the idea that christ wanted missionaries to spread ‘hapiness’ is to me a little of the mark…
Originally posted by aussierogue:marc 1 – your story reminds me of the crusades, or all the missionaries who have helped distort the natural way of things in various parts of the world.
not that i wanna start a religious arguement but the story of jesus’s followers (not jesus) is hardly abt leaving things to take there natural course
you linked the two together…..
Did I? [confused2]
If you want to discuss doctrine I think we should start another thread in the “Opinionated” folder.
Good intentions do not necessarily go hand in hand with knowledge of the details of the problem at hand. In addition, a well-intentioned ignorant makes as much mess as one that has bad intentions.
(Sorry Russ not calling you an ignorant OK?)Take charity for example. A beggar on the street is asking you for money. What do you do?
You “know” that as soon as he gets enough for a shot he will race away to buy one. In addition, you “know” that giving money will only encourage dependency and not self-sufficiency. You know the story of give a fish or teach to fish etc, so you decide not to give. Yet you have enough spare money to buy the person 20 meals right in your pocket.
What do you do?
Most of the time our actions are aimed at fulfilling an urge inside to feel good, to feel grand, to say to ourselves, I am good, generous, whatever, (not necessarily a conscious thought process), and we need such actions to compensate for the many times we know we have been hard, or uncaring.
The real charity, the real care, comes when we actually take the time to analyse the situation we are eager to help. Why is the person begging on the street? How can the casue be changed, how to find a lasting personal turning point.
This is only an example and I am not interested in debating public health, nor Christianity, it would take too much time and this is not the purpose of this forum.
Also the automatic assumption that a Christian person must not only have a position but also make such position public about the history of certain religious insitution along the ages is not fair. I hope I can continue to sign my posts God bless you without attracting religous challenges whatever the persuasion.
Marc,
You can continue to use whatever signature you wish. Some people sign with a business link, or other advertisement. People are free to use any signature.
kay henry
marc 1 – feel free to sign yr posts whichever way you want.
the word ‘ignorant’ as u used it was unfortunate as the correct term to use is ‘ignoramus’. which just confirms your point!!
i think your example lacks a bit of ‘humanity’ in my opinion.
but again these are only opinions – but a kind word or a kind deed done without judgement can speak 1000 times louder.
ps – if you dont wanna give a dollar to a beggar go buy him/her a sandwich!
4th language – so??? relevance?? and yes come to think of it i do have a problem with you signing ‘and prosper you’.
its like saying what i say is correct and just to prove it i have god behind me all the way.
watch out all those who question marc 1…
I see, it did not take long.
Predictable is the word that comes to mind.If God blesses you
and prospers you….you owe me a commission[baaa]
MarcReverting back to the original post – an interesting scenario and debate.
Personally I am not the type to let emotion stand in the way of any business decision. But in saying this, I have learned over the years that there are certain deals you walk away from for moral or other reasons.
I would walk on this deal if I felt the family would benefit more in terms of security than I would from an investment perspective.
— Michael
P.S. Marc – if you want to preach and try and position yourself on some higher moral ground – do it somewhere else. Otherwise stick to the topic.
>>ps – if you dont wanna give a dollar to a beggar go buy him/her a sandwich!<<
Ever so slightly diverging from the topic, the above reminds me of something that happened to my wife.
She went into Kings Cross railway station, only to be accosted by a young man asking whether she had a couple of dollars to give him so that he could buy something to eat.
Well, she knows better than to start digging into her purse only to have it snatched from her.
So she replied : “I haven’t got any money but you are welcome to share my sandwich.
The hungry young man replied : “What is it”
When he learned that it was a wholemeal sandwich
with salad on it he said : “No, I only eat white bread with peanut butter.” [smiling]Pisces
this is silly – if god blesses you doesnt that encompass evrything that is good including, if you like, prosperity. why spell it out twice in the one sentence. you sound like a telemarketer, and a predictable one at that…
Marc1,
I’m not religious, however in my view attempting to take credit for what your god does – even in jest – is in VERY POOR taste.
I suggest you spend more time meditating on your relationship with your god and less time pushing unwanted religious commentary onto people who don’t care about your beliefs.
And MY god says so too! [biggrin]
Cheers,
Aceyducey
I though you all agreed that I can sign my post in whichever way I like?
Now you confused me.[blush2]Maybe God blessess you
and prospers you, may be He does not.
Soo….don’t blame me
[offtopic]
MarcAussierogue, (seriously now)
Are you realy talking about my signature again?
Why does it bother you so much? It is a nice good wish, just like saying Shalom, only in English.Should I change it into:
“I adore adverbs; they are the only qualifications I really much respect.”May God bless you
and prosper you.
Marc
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