A Lesson in psychocology in the market…

>>Maybe you could add to that “or to make others feel better or avoid pain<<

A very good case indeed can be made out for the fact that an altruistic person (i.e. someone who appears to display unselfish concern for the welfare of others) ultimately is acting in the way he is acting because it makes him feel good.

So, in effect he is doing it for himself.

Now one can argue this point until one is black and blue in the face but all of that is verbiage which doesn’t mean a thing, doesn’t p-r-o-v-e anything.

One’s opinion is just that, one’s opinion, perhaps right, perhaps wrong.

The only way to determine whether what Bill said is correct is to start observing one’s action (a rather long and difficult task).

BTW, Bill said something very significant there which in essence is a model which can be used to explain, to understand one’s behaviour.

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Pisces

Having endeavoured for many years to ‘get to know’ myself better I can attest that it is a very hard task.

Our emotions come into play so quickly that it is virtually an impossible task to make changes in one’s behaviour.

I understand that one way to (eventually) bring a change about is not by trying to do so but by
constantly observing oneself. ( a very big task to do as mostly people go though life in a constant dreamstate).
(you may note that I ‘haven’t arrived as yet, haven’t become ‘Master’ of my life and body yet).

Sometimes a big shock, a trauma, will automatically bring about changes in one’s behaviour.

For example, my brother was pretty well a (weekend) alcoholic.

One day he had a glass of beer in his hands as a message came that one of his sons had been killed in an accident.

He hasn’t had a drop since. The taste, the smell makes him violently ill.

So what Bill is talking about (our emotions control us
and therefore we have to somehow establish control over our behaviour ourselves) is very much hypothetical, an intellectual exercise, an impossible task).

Pisces

markatric – the problem is that 95 pct of people dont know what motivates them. an if they do they only know 5 pct of the time.

so all of a sudden its not so simple….

as far as the its often said – by who??? tommy hafey.

alot of people actions are merely reactions to a situation. if you are a firefighter you cant turn away from a fire. you have certain fears etc that brought you along a crtain path wch finds you in a certain situation at a certain time.

how many heroes do you know who say – i just did what i thought was right – you wld have done the same if you were in the same situation!! its true for most of us.

Napoleon Hill makes interesting reading but the question remains ‘How many people are actually able to make themselves do the exercises ?

If some people succeed it is because of a process over a long time.

To make a change there and then ? Virtually impossible.

75% of the population is overweight. Most are very aware that the main cause is that they either (or both) overeat or eat the wrong type of foods.

Don’t tell me that they prefer to stay the way they are. No, it is because, despite knowing what to do, depite wishing they were taut, svelte and slim they are unable to.

Their body, their habits, their
brainwashed mind, won’t let them.

So much for being in charge.

Unless there is a more compelling reason (motivation) they cannot do it.

Even people who damn well know that they are hastening their death still cannot change their habits to save their life.

It is virtually as if they are programmed doomed robots who cannot think.

If a drastic change does take place it is usually by accident not because they planned.

Pisces

Holy mackeral anybody wasting their time by reading and writing this crap must have nothing better to do i am glad all of this stays in this section of the forum.[jerry]
Dom

now where is that sleepy smile ??[dozey]

Bill,

Having re-read your original post, just wanted to say THANKS, for sharing your wisdom..

I see where you are coming from so to speak, and, tend to agree with you !!

We are on a continuos journey of learning about ourselves, and, emotion plays a big part in the decisions we make…. ( to please ourselves / avoid pain )

Personally I make it a point of trying NOT to avoid the pain from time to time, and get out of the “comfort zone”….. And when I do, I feel so alive !!

Thanks again….

Scott

Good to see that at least one person (Pelican – Scott) appears to have some idea what Bill is talking about.

The problem with many people is that they have fallen into the habit of speaking without thinking.

The inevitable result is that mostly what comes out of one’s mouth is garbage, shit, meaningless clutter.

And of course, virtually we all are at one time or other guilty of jumping to conclusions rather than trying to understand what (in this case) Bill is talking about.

It is a pity isn’t, as a closed mind stops one from further learning, learning both what others are trying to convey and learning about ourselves.

Pisces