I hear from some investment seminars how people have brought houses site unseen and was just wondering if anyone here has ever done that and whats involved. I’d imagine theres alot that could go wrong.
Check with Mini, I think I remember reading a thread once that she has bought properties unseen and protects herself by getting all the checks done ie: structural, termite etc. Perhaps read some of her previous posts and see if you can find any info on it.
yes i have bought unseen before and it has been fine, i just got the Builder in. checked the rental assessment and demand with a property manager and i was happy.
But always be careful it is best to see the property if possible as an agent will not tell you who is living next door or that there is a toxic dump behind the home.
The last properties i bought unseen were two flats for 30k and 35k and the rent is 135 and 140pw. So i5t was an absolute bargain, too good to miss out on.
regards westan
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I bought my last two properties sight unseen. One from the net, but in an area I know extremely well, and the second because I had seen one of these properties advertised on the net, fell in love with it, and made some phone calls to see if another one was coming up soon.
I did a BPR on the second one, but not on the first. I don´t regret that decision about the BPR. I´ve come to know quite a bit about units, and given the age of the unit, and some background checks on the body corporate and expenses etc, i felt quite comfortable in purchasing it.
I also did extensive net searches about the area of the second place. And made calls to independent RE agents in the area cand picked their brains about anything I could think of.
The net has made the world global. I love it and i would be happy and confident to buy many purchases off the net.
Just_starting,
Yo can do all the relevant due diligence via the net, phone, fax and e-mail. So I agree with the other comments.
Unlike purchasing a home, where you are looking at non-financial criteria as well and therefore would probably want to view the porperty a few times. IP investment criteria are more objective, which lends itself to site unseen purchases.
Currently looking at various areas, which are all off the web. Maybe in a month or two I will be ready to purchase. Would be happy to do so, if all checks out.
I’ve done it a couple of times for properties in faraway corners of the country. It’s not an emotional thing to buy IP, so on one hand you can trust the technical stuff to paid professionals.
HOWEVER, just be careful you’re not buying next to a car wreckers / niteclub etc if you don’t know the area well…
Be very careful about buying unseen. Do as much check as possible, but remember there could be things that are not picked up or information is withheld.
For a purchase of a property say $100,000, spending $500 flying out to physically inspect the property is well worth it.
Remember to think about the worst case scenario if all goes wrong. Will saving $500 be worth it.
I would only buy unseen if I had enough money to not be financally affected if purchase went pear shaped
The steps I take:
1. Due diligence in the area
2. Market researches, phone call the local business…..
3. search property for sale.
4. get property details, photos,….
5. offer…
6. buy…
Warm Regards
ChanDollars
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A couple of examples I came across during a buying trip I had late last year…
1. Property was actually on the main highway (which was also a road train route[!]) but that section of the Highway was renamed, so unless you were a local you’d have no idea.
2. Property was neighbouring a railway line and directly opposite a rail freight terminal.[V]
Now the problem with these examples is even if i had done all my inspections: pest/electrical/building and even if I’d had commissioned my own independant valuations, there is a good chance the I would not have know that they were on railway lines/major highways.
And do you think the agents in either example offered that information?
If I trusted someone in the are to “check out the area” to give you a general overview, then that would be a different story…
have bought a few properties unsighted and never seen, 2 of them, i have no idea of what they even look like, ok may sound very risky, but depending on how you have created and organised your system and due dilligence of property investing, buying property unsighted and unseen can be quite fun, and keeps your minds wondering, what the property may look like.
I recommend that only very experinced investors buy unseen, Kay and Chan$ seem to know what checks are needed and the right questions to ask, but unless you are experinced you could end up with sleepless nights.
Even after inspecting a property there is still so much that can go wrong, but at least you might pick up something that could of gone unnoticed.
When spending thousands of dollars, a few dollars to see the property is a good investment.
i did my first deal on an ip in darwin sight unseen.
as i had been in darwin 3 months earlier and had looked around, that and i had lived there for years. i had a good idea of suburbs etc.
problems i had were,
RE agent told me the rent was under value by 20 p/w, i should have rung other agents to confirm, (i didnt)
didnt get a written rental appraisal which would have helped in the decision making.
didnt confirm RE agents commission fee on renting, darwin is about 10%, cried to RE agent and got him to knock it down to 8%. i should have checked this also
the map i had used was old, there was no uni 2 blocks away. other than that i bought in a good area (larrakeyah), with solid tennants.
hope this is of some help
shaun
A couple of examples I came across during a buying trip I had late last year…
1. Property was actually on the main highway (which was also a road train route[!]) but that section of the Highway was renamed, so unless you were a local you’d have no idea.
2. Property was neighbouring a railway line and directly opposite a rail freight terminal.[V]
Now the problem with these examples is even if i had done all my inspections: pest/electrical/building and even if I’d had commissioned my own independant valuations, there is a good chance the I would not have know that they were on railway lines/major highways.
And do you think the agents in either example offered that information?
If I trusted someone in the are to “check out the area” to give you a general overview, then that would be a different story…
Cheers, Battz
If you used a local pest or building inspectors you can alway ask that person once the inspection done. That’s what I did. The building inspector guy been living there all his life so he even know the street name and where it is. is it a good/bad street?…..
Warm Regards
ChanDollars
[Keep going, you’re on your way to Frolic Freedom!]
We have bought 1 property sight unseen and had no problems whatsoever. Same advice as most of the other posters here, however I probably would not recommend doing it for the 1st couple of IP’s. But that’s just me. It was good to have a bit of experience first.
i dunno, if you were to look at a property on site with your own eyes, you could then justify the faults and areas in/on the structure that needs rectifying or fixing up. what i’m saying is that if your not there and you rely on another pro to do an inspection for you, then how can YOU negotiate a proposed settlement figure with the agent/owner. i understand what you are all saying but this could be a way for you to lose alot of money, (ie you could have negotiated the price down CONFIDENTLY). sorry i’m a builder and seeing an investment property for myself is vital. best is to invest near you or easy travelling distance from where you live. isn’t that what investing is? Making Money!
i agree with most of the comments. Scully good point about having a few under your belt first. I should have mentioned that i would only do it if it was great deal, average deals are all over the place no need to buy off the net for an average deal.
regards westan
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G’day all,
All photos, regardless of where they come from,internet or Kodak, look far superior than the real thing.What looks good in photo form just isn’t that good in real life.
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