If I was about to start property investing, this is what I would do. (well its sort of what I did).
1. Spend $300 on 10 property investing books – both local and overseas. And Yes I would include Steves toward the top of the list.
2. Go speak to an accountant. Get him to charge you for his time. Get $600 bucks worth of time. That should be at least 6-8 hrs and you get personal attention. You only need a local accountant to start.
3. Go see the bank or a mortgage broker
4. Go speak to Estate Agents in the area you want to invest.
5. Find a solicitor you are comfortable with
6. Use forums like this or somersoft.com.au for any questions you may have
7. Once you made your first purchase – go spend the remaining $100-$300 on a good dinner or weekend away.
By doing the above – you will learn more than a one day course regardless of who gives the course.
What have others done or what advice would be useful for the new kids on the block?
1. Investment books – yeah I got a few books at first from the library. This was when I wan’t sure we would really do anything. Our first real endeavour was internet research particularly here.
2. Hmm the Accountant – well this in my opinion can be dangerous. Our first account said we needed a negative geared unit to reduce our tax burden. We now have a good accountant, that could only be chosen when we had determined our plan for investing the account only plays a small part especially if they aren’t into cashflow positive property.
3. Bank/broker – having a good relationship with your financier is important, like your accountant they are a crutial part of your team. But as to providing investing advise I still don’t think this is your best adviser.
4. Estate Agents – this is crutial at any stage of property investing but we still had to have our plan and goals ready.
5. Solicitor – another important member of your team but as a property adviser he wasn’t top of our list.
6. Forums – well as stated above we rank this step higher on our list of first things to do. (from a newbie point of view)
7. Sure why not!
By doing the above – you will learn more than a one day course regardless of who gives the course.
I don’t believe that our plan for how we invest, how we protect our assets, and how we finance our purchases would have been thought out in the early stages until we hit a snag, without the advice of professional property investors that have done it before us such as those that we met at 2 of Steve’s seminars.
The networking aspect of these seminars is as valuable as the seminars themselves.
Cheers
Leigh K[]
Investment unit for sale – includes a rental guarentee.
Depending on the accounant for $600 for 6 – 8 hours, wont get you anywere near those hours, a good accountant will charge between $200 + an hour… better reconsider your budget…
I think being cautious about an accountant sounds like good advice. SIS you mentioned a good accountant up our way in a past post, who we plan to visit in the next couple of weeks along with some others. Is it usual to “interview” accountants?
How do you do due diligence when sometimes you’re not quite sure of the questions to ask?
A leaning to +ve cashflow properties?
An understanding of the most suitable type of trust?
My experience with accountants in the past has involved me suggesting options to them rather than the other way round.
What about solicitors. Do you “interview” them too?
This is what I did:
1. Attended 3 free investing seminars…what ever you do, don’t sign up for the next one.
2. Readed 5 property investments related books
3. Attended $48 investing seminars.
4. Oops I signed up of $1500 sharing between 4 persons ie. $375 earch.
5. Readed 2 property investments related books
6. Spoke to new accountants
7. Spoke to solicitors
8. Sacked old accountants
9. Spoke to Lenders/Mortgage Brokers
10. Get pre-approvals
11. Did due diligence on the area that I want to invest in.
12. Inspected as much as propertes as I could in the area
13. Very nervous
14. Should we back off (speaking to wife)
15. Why would you invest there? (from the family, relative,…and who ever from the closet)
16. Even more nervous
17. Decided to invest…by using the ear phones so can’t hear anyone saying the bad and the good.
18. Put on the ear phones and turn on loud music.
19. Get isolated.
20. Take of the ear phones, pick up the phone call the agent and put in the offer.
21. Negotiated
22. Offer accepted
23. More nervous.
24. Settlement
25. Get a tenant
26. One investment property.
27. Are we doing the right thing? to the wife.
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Good luck with your investing…..
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Warm Regards
ChanDollars
[Keep going, you’re on your way to financial freedom]
In summary. Its all a learning process. And sure you will make mistakes along the way. As Jan Somers says in Ordinary Millionaires (i am reading it currently) its time in the market.
It does not matter what type of property you buy (house/unit) or whether its neg+/pos+ – its time in market. How long you can hold onto your properties.
The best bet is to find a mentor. If you cant what do you do – have a go yourself, learn and make a few mistakes along the way or pay for a Seminar $1200.
If you go to all these seminars you will only confuse yourself. (Steve – positive gearing, Investors club – deprn deductions, new stuff, Jan Somers – time in market, pos or neg gearing, Peter Spann renovate to add equity)
>>The best bet is to find a mentor. If you cant what do you do – have a go yourself, learn and make a few mistakes along the way or pay for a Seminar $1200.<<
Unfortunately mistakes can be expensive.
A mentor is a good idea but how long does one need to run around with someone else to learn all of the pitfalls ?
At the end of the day – you got to take some action.
I dont see why you got to pay $000’s for seminars.
If your worried about making mistakes because they can be costly.
Gee, I may as well stay in bed. I could fall over go out the front door. But You pick yourself up and get on with it even if you have to spend some money on fixing your teeth.
Next time you will do your laces up. Maybe I should have gone to seminar on how to get dressed.
Would you mind giving us a little insight into your investing experience, just to support your position on seminars. I certainly would like to know what you have learnt and how you have addressed any issues that came up while you were learning.
Cheers
Leigh K[]
Investment unit for sale – includes a rental guarentee.
1. Accountant background. Dont do tax.
2. From a building family.
3. Family/parents invested in real estate. Made mistakes.
4. First PPOR in 1996 and purchased investment property in 1997.
5. Went to US 1999 and saw property frenzy in san francisco – Silicon Valley.
6. Came home puchased several other properties.
7. Purchased last property 2 yrs ago.
8. All properties have doubled and more except last property but grown.
9. Invest close to home in market i know is good and undervalued.
10. Sure i have made mistakes. Probably should have bought houses not units all the time. But its a tradeoff between rent and cost of property.
11. Full time job and 2 kids – one income.
12. I believe in property investing. Dont have alot of time for chasing property in country areas.
13. Dont believe in rural properties. Income/Benefits do not exceed hassles.eg. travelling, tenants, repairs
14. Postive gearing would be good when ready to semi-retire.
15. Growth oriented now.
16. Turned $10k net worth in 1996 into $700k in 2004. Probably not as good as others, but I feel I have done ok. Hey maybe I should start my own seminars. Not sure who was an expert back in 1996. There are a few now.
17. Certainly not there yet (still plenty to learn) but feel I am on my way.
18. Never paid for a seminar. Only attended an investors club free seminar.
19. Now/Future – sit tight enjoy the kids. Of to Canada/UK in sept for 6 weeks. Got family there.
20. No hurry. They only expect prices in Melb to up up by 9% in 3 yrs.
<<<<how you have addressed any issues that came up while you were learning.>>>>
From my contacts.
Accountant –
Solicitor –
Property Managers –
Estate Agents in area –
Insurance Broker –
Bank – which Bank – they seem to like me.
I discussed things with my parents. I always listened but always made my own mind up. If I had taken their advice I would still only have my own home. But I did always ask for their perspective.
After spending 12 mnths in San Francisco I knew property investing would work. I suppose it was the inner belief that go me to act.
Thanks for the very interesting insight it certainly does make it easier to understand your position on seminars knowing your background. I am also sure that others will appreciate your posts more knowing your experience.
Cheers
Leigh K[]
Investment unit for sale – includes a rental guarentee.
i would recommend a investment seminar, i learnt more about myself and money in 3 days than any book. dont get me wrong, the next thing i did was go out and read everything i could. got onto this forum via steves book and now have some great friends, who help me along the way (melbear in particular). it was here i found a mentor, and people who are ahead of me in the investing game and some behind.. but together we make a great team. learnt how to sack accountants, and what to look for in a solicitor. i am also completly comfortable with debt,
hope this is some help
shaun
1. Accountant background. Dont do tax.
2. From a building family.
3. Family/parents invested in real estate. Made mistakes.
4. First PPOR in 1996 and purchased investment property in 1997.
5. Went to US 1999 and saw property frenzy in san francisco – Silicon Valley.
6. Came home puchased several other properties.
7. Purchased last property 2 yrs ago.
8. All properties have doubled and more except last property but grown.
9. Invest close to home in market i know is good and undervalued.
10. Sure i have made mistakes. Probably should have bought houses not units all the time. But its a tradeoff between rent and cost of property.
11. Full time job and 2 kids – one income.
12. I believe in property investing. Dont have alot of time for chasing property in country areas.
13. Dont believe in rural properties. Income/Benefits do not exceed hassles.eg. travelling, tenants, repairs
14. Postive gearing would be good when ready to semi-retire.
15. Growth oriented now.
16. Turned $10k net worth in 1996 into $700k in 2004. Probably not as good as others, but I feel I have done ok. Hey maybe I should start my own seminars. Not sure who was an expert back in 1996. There are a few now.
17. Certainly not there yet (still plenty to learn) but feel I am on my way.
18. Never paid for a seminar. Only attended an investors club free seminar.
19. Now/Future – sit tight enjoy the kids. Of to Canada/UK in sept for 6 weeks. Got family there.
20. No hurry. They only expect prices in Melb to up up by 9% in 3 yrs.
Good one Yacky, now I know where you coming from….
Good luck and have a good trip in Canada/UK.
Warm Regards
ChanDollars
[Keep going, you’re on your way to financial freedom]
That stuff is really just so helpful right now! All the specifics about making the most of tax and the intricacies of legalities are going to become more and more useful and important as time goes by. (Soooo much to learn!) But getting really broad info gives me more confidence to make a start.
Maybe one day I’ll get to give someone my considered opinion!! For now it’s just great tuning in whenever I can and being able to ask the simple questions.
I;m just starting off so I can tell u if this works in 5 years time… []
1. Buy some property info and motivational books to get you started. And find out your true reason for investing in property.
2. Get involve with like minded pplz to keep u motivated, hasnt happen for me yet since most of my mates wanna enjoy themselves atm. I have my bike who motivates me atm hehe
3. Get invovle with the property industry somehow like working in the property industry. For me im doing my correspondance Property Valuation diploma, first few of the modules I also believe gives me my real estate agent licence.. i better check that one. that way i can be more involved with property as compared to my I.T job atm.
4. Save money, limit on spending.
5. Research within the property industry, as in with banks, real estate agents, accountants, solictors so forth.
6. With the knowledge I plan to acheive I can use it for more judgemental purchases and hopefully eliminate some of the bad experiences I will probably still get? hehe
7. With the cashflow I get, I can hopefully buy a new motorbike each year
Dosent it sound good, lets hope it goes all to plan. Just lots of hard work.. now time to get dirty []
Thats for me anyhows.
What I learnt yesterday, I know better for tommorrow – Dean
Was great to get some insight into your experiences etc, gives me some background to your posts.
It’s hard to invest with a family, and you’ve done well.
Everyone has thier own strategies, but you also develop these strategies over the years of mistakes, successes, reading, learning from others etc..
Agree with you in regards to growth, my IP’s are in the Nuetral to Positively geared range now, though as i don’t have your wage, my strategy would lean towards + Geared properties and the benefits herein, as for *risk* it’s everywhere and ‘due dilligence’ is paramount []
You and your Family have fun in the UK and Canada.. [^]
Remember in Canada signposts in French ( My sister and friends recently got lost after travelling from Vermont in the USA to Canada due to the signs [8] )
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