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    I own a successful company which has significant profits to invest with.

    Is it wise to invest in property using a company?

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    Hi troyid

    If it’s a trading company, then definitely not.

    The problem with investing in appreciating assets in a company is that there is no CGT exemption, and will always be taxed at 30%. You have very little flexibility in distributing those funds afterwards also.

    A discretionary trust is a better option – with corporate trustee, as this gives you better options tax wise when distributing profits. As for getting the money out of the company – perhaps you could lend it to the trust at the lowest rate the ATO will allow?

    Cheers
    Mel

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    Hi Troyid,

    Depending on if you are just wanting to purchase just +ve cash flow properties, use the Family Discretionary Trust.

    If wanting to purchase both -ve and +ve cashflow properties it is ideal to use a Hybrid Trust.

    Though not sure what exaclty your interest are, though if you like to invest into all types of investments, ideally again you should use a Multi-Sector Trust

    Cheers,
    sis

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    Hello,

    Thank you Mel and Sis.

    I have a discretionary trust, and have just checked with the ATO regards the interest rate required to please them.

    Why can’t I use the discretionary trust to purchase negative geared property?

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    Hi Troyid,

    A Family Trust, must run at a profit, losses are carried over into the next year and that you can not offset it against a lost. Which means taxs benefits are slightly different.

    With Hyrbrid Trust, when you purchase -ve geared property you are runing it at a loss, thus mean you can offset this loss against another preforming asset or distribute all profits, so that the loss is minimal.

    Cheers,
    sis

    People 4get that by saving just $3 a day & investing it sensibly
    over a working life, you’ll end up with around $1 million

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    SiS,

    Is it also true that a Hybrid trust carries on losses indefinately?

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    Any trust can carry losses-I beleive indefinitly until a profit is made.

    Troyid, maybe you company shares can be owned by a discretionary trust. All profit could then flow to the trust and from there distributed elsewhere at the trustees discretion. (possibly with franking credits).

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    That’s smart thinking Terry. I reckon that idea has been in my head, but never really been crystalised before. [:)]

    Cheers
    Mel

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