Dear Steve…God & Financial Freedom

Clifford,

There are two tangible answers to your question, one of which is in the Bible.

Ask and you shall receive.

The Mentor arrives when the Student is ready.

Kind regards, Phil

God creates man, man creates money, money destroys God and man, money is left Wasn’t this in a movie somewhere?

C2
“Is it true the more you owe the more you grow until the bank steps in?”

I think at the end of the day that if you are lucky enough to be blessed by god in the way of having a free life with no money problems, and you use some of your money to help others throughout your life, whether it be giving to charities or organising days out for sick kids, etc you will have performed gods will i would think .

Fudge111

I believe that there is nowhere in the Bible that says we should be poor. I’ve also been told by some who study it that there are passages where basically it says that God wants you to be rich.

Paul, even more of an example of why we are a good match. The wedding would have to be done by a Catholic priest (preferably in Church to please my Mum), so that’s another hurdle crossed…..[]

Cheers
Mel

We could invite them all, but I’m sure that between us we’ve managed to alienate a few, so that should cut it down by a couple of thousand!!

Cheers
Mel

Paul and Mel,

I heard of someone with a boat and a Banjo who might play soft music at your wedding.

Regards, Phil

Agree Steve,

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Hmmmmm… I sense this is dangerous ground, but oh well.

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But here’s another point of view…….

Abundance is everybody’s due, is it not?

Abundance to our ancestors & tribal people meant having plentiful food & shelter – with out want.
Abundance to our animal kingdom means the same. The universe provides food for animals (in various forms) they accept this as natural & god-given – without question. In times of lack, they accept starvation & death as natural & god-given also. It’s natures way of levelling things out.

If we apply this same theory to the human being in 2003, what would then be our definition of abundance?
There is abundance everywhere in nature, abundance is natural & god given, so why should it be wrong to have your share?
The basic needs of a human are food, clothing, shelter & love. As humans here on earth it is natural & god-given that these basic needs are provided for. Now, ignoring love – only because this discussion is about money, how does your average human in 2003 obtain food, clothing & shelter? You guessed it – with money. We no longer hunt & gather as our ancestors did, we need money to service our basic needs.

Money isn’t nasty & evil, nor is it good & pure. Money neutral. Money is a form of energy that gets passed around from one place to the next. Constantly, every minute, every day. All a person needs to do is have their hand out as it passes by.

The thought that if you have money, you are depriving someone else is not necessarily true. A person with wealth can choose to be charitable & giving or they can choose greed – it’s up to the individual. It may be true that as one party takes a $10,000 gain out of the stock market, another party makes a $10,000 loss. However, both parties choose to take the risk, it’s just that one party acquired $10,000 worth of education, so did he loose? Maybe, maybe not. That would depend on the perception of the individual concerned. Next time he enters the market, the roles could be reversed. Thus the energy of money flows back and forth as it should.

There is also a natural law of supply & demand. You hold an investment property. Another human needs shelter. You are supplying to their need. What is ungodly about this situation? Sure, you receive gain, but in doing so you are in turn able to service your needs. Besides, you’ve invested your own money & your own time, not only to serve yourself, but another human as well, who needs shelter, who may or may not be less fortunate than yourself. Just as our ancestors who mastered the art of hunting, reaped the benefits.

People sometimes get caught up in the ego-trap of money. The glam. house, car & boat, although nice to own or have, don’t really provide true self-worth. True self-worth comes from within & is not measured by your bank balance.

I don’t subscribe to sayings or passages from the bible such as ‘money is the root of all evil’ or ‘you cannot serve two masters, and that you must choose between serving God and serving money’, for a few reasons.
Firstly, because I’m not religious, and do not follow any religious teachings as such. Secondly, it is not the money it’s self that is evil, as I’ve said before, money is neutral, it is the human thought form that attaches evil or good to it, and that is an individual choice. Thirdly, money shouldn’t be your master, otherwise you become the slave. Surely this is not an ideal situation? Money being in control of you? Not a concept for me!! The object of the game is to become the master of money. It is the slave. Therefore, no conflict exits. You are now free to serve your god as you choose.

Every thing is as it should be, otherwise it wouldn’t be.

The bible is also fairly forthcoming on loaning money for interest.

Leviticus 25:37
You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit.

Deuteronomy 23:19
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

Psalm 15
1 O LORD, who shall sojourn in your tent?
Who shall dwell on your holy hill?
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5 [He] who does not put out his money at interest
and does not take a bribe against the innocent.

Dino

“If you don’t know where you are going, every road will take you there.”

after reading ‘the one minute millionaire’ which gives a brilliant rationale about why we should tithe from no matter what one’s religious beliefs (that rationale in a nutshell, is that the book aims to create one million millionaires, who give away ten percent to the community. statistics prove that each millionaire crreates ten new jobs. so and if that happened – along with the charity of the million millionaires tithing – the book claims, that happening could change the economic future of the world. i love that thought! and it gives a good ‘non-religious’ rationale to the whole idea, if you happened to be not that way inclined.
and if you are that way inclined, well God says to tithe…and that he will multiply it….(westan you’ll be able to pinpoint the exact wording of this?)

mini

castle, something you said struck me – “I am seriously chasing financial independence, but I have soul searched, and would have to say that at the end of the day, I would be prepared to give it all up if that was what was called for.”

I like that a lot.

dino – !!!!!!! really does it say that!!! God doesn’t seem to have a very high opinion of wrappers, in that case, or even people who put money in the bank.

actually, my mother taught me never to lend things. just to give it to them. that the person asking needs it more than you do.