I know that they’ve said recently that the boom will last another year or two (??) before interest rates go up at least .5%. But I’d like to know when the last bust was, how long it lasted, and how high did rates go?
Will history repeat itself exactly like this again? And is it still a good time to buy QLD/WA IP’s, even though they are +geared? What’s everyone’s views?
Soooo many qstns….. sorry.
Thanx
hi brent can’t help with all you are after but here is a start
Melbourne prices (median)
1985 75k
1986 82k
87 89k
88 109k
89 132k
90 131k
91 127k
92 125k
93 126k
94 130k
95 129k
96 131k
97 142k
98 155k
99 174k
2000 190k
2001 220k
2002 237k Prelim figures
So as you can see the last boom ended in 1989 then prices went sidewards for 7 years then bounced again. so the overall market didn’t experience a big drop, like many in the media are talking about.
hope that’s a start
westan
If those figures are anything to go by, it shows that during ‘busts’ -ve property owners will be hurting big time. Losing cash on a property when its not appreciating in capital value must be a real bugger… []
Obviously during those times your +ve properties are gonna be worth their weight in gold – so with all the talk about a ‘bust’, even more reason to look for +ve (though I still think looking in capital growth areas is a must).
Olorin, during those sideways years less investors
enter the markets and as rates rise some are
forced to sell, these contribute to rising rents.
The yield improves to a point where property looks
attractive again and we have another boom.
So a bust is (somewhat) good news to those who are
in the market because it signifies that there will
be bargains in the future and yields will improve.
ajwans – Yep, understand that. Though I don’t really like the mentality of people that think like that (not that I’m accusing you of thinking like that, don’t get me wrong). I prefer win-win situations not zero sum (ie one wins – one loses), and think it’s better on a personal and social level. []
Still, you could argue that it is win-win during those times as they are looking to bail and we are faciliting that wish. []
Median price is an interesting statistical figure. Athough it is the best figure available for an overall picture, I wonder how it would look if we segmented the market into different catagories.(don’t know what the catagories should be…maybe the median price of the cheapest 25% of properties and so on up to the most expensive 25%)
The top end of the market seemed to take a big hit in the early nineties.
The most expensive quarter of the property market could have gone down 25% without affecting the medain price of the overall market, but would have affected the mean .
This is perhaps where BOTH the mean and the median price should be used to get two separate statistical views of the overall market.
Then we could make a more informed decision as to which particular sector of the overall market is more able to preserve values in a flat/declining market.
Also would love to see suburb by suburb or shire by shire statistics. Doe anyone know if these are available?
wayne you have guessed right Median in Toorak (most expensive sub in Vic) went from 595k in 1991 to 490k in 1993 but rebounded the following year.
There is a book
“a guide to Property Values” put out by the valuer general. It’s a little behind the times but its updated every year. Costs about $60. available from Landata (DNRE) ph 03 86362456.
Or just mention the suburb you want and post your email and i’ll scan it and email to you.
regards westan
i’ve just done some research
you can buy this book for a special $10.95, it must mean the new one is about to come out.
check this link, (i’m still happy to scan and email pages.) but it is a handy book to have for victorians. Might start a new post telling people this http://www.businessmall.com.au/cache/item-133public.html?cache=no
regards westan
“If those figures are anything to go by, it shows that during ‘busts’ -ve property owners will be hurting big time. Losing cash on a property when its not appreciating in capital value must be a real bugger… “
if you buy a +ve cashflow property now, when and if the hurting capital gain people dump, there will be a shortage of rental properties, rents will go up –
but even if capital gain remains strong, it should also mean the CF+ve properties go up in value too (though maybe not as much)
it’s much easier to ride a market out for a while if you need to, if you’re making each week not losing.
Hi All[]
According to the latest BIS SHRAPNEL report intrest rates will be
2003 6.6%
2004 6.1%
2005 8.3%
2006 10.1%
I attended a business lunch last Fiday
where the Cheif Economist of the ANZ Bank Saul Eslake said exactly the same.
Hi Caddy222[]
The report only covers 2003-2006 and even Saul Eslake will not predict beyond that.
Intrest rises are being used to curb inflation predicted in the world economy
I’ve heard that the next PBust ( when it happens ) will not be so time repairing, last one took 7 years previous one took 8 years. This next one will be 4 years tops, therefore preparing for damage control can be on the cards for IP owners.
while we should be prepared for possible rate rises i wouldn’t get too scared by such extreme predictions. if you go through these guys predictions over the last few years they are always wrong. for the last two years they have been saying the same thing yet rates haven’t risen. One day they may be right ? so your warning is valid. It is near impossible to predict 3 yrs out. i am surprised that they predict a decline of .5% next year?
regards westan