Self-renovation syndrome (SRS?) – lol I'm originally middle-eastern, so know these well. In Israel you have entire neighbourhoods, particularly some of the arab villages, where there are far less judicial enforcement, that have eternal planks and scaffolding, iron bars sticking out of bare concrete walls, unplastered etc – a street full of those, stacked side by side, is one of the ugliest things imaginable in my opinion, particularly from a property professional point of view. It darn right hurts the eye. ))
Seen the stilts in Thailand too and actually been to a few, these guys are master builders, particularly considering the materials they work with – unfortunately, the increase in seismic activity around these parts in recent years spells disaster for these type of settlements
Yup, Singapore is definitely the place to go for healthcare (and shopping!) in Asia. Japanese dental care, which for some reason is attrocious compared to the state of modern medicine there, also sees flocks of Japs getting their teeth done in Singapore. Remarkable, how they've positioned themselves as such in such a relatively short time, isn't it?
…just picked up a 2 bd 1 bath cute little home for $13,500 from the walk around outside about 6 30 last night) that's the part I love hunting down houses…
There ya have it, ladies and gents, and this is exactly why these local teams and middle men ARE a good idea (when they're the good kind, that is, you still need to DD), no matter where you buy and how far away you are.
The best opportunities can only be found, sourced and profitably managed by the "boots on the ground" guys – but they're there for anyone to invest in, no matter where in the world those investors may be, if they get those guys on their team.
…we are trying to get as much property as we can in the next couple of years to build up our portfolio as best as we can over there.
Agree, that seems to be the way – jump in when that gap is nice and juicy, jump out (or at least stop purchasing for a while) when it shrinks, repeat to taste and satisfaction, throw in some cap gains properties in other areas for good measure, and yum, no matter where it is you're cooking up your portfolio. I doubt it's a "YES" or "NO", "Here" or "There" as a permanent commitment, more a "Where and what RIGHT NOW" kinda mix…
Didn't see any particular positive mention of any region except Chengdu, as mentioned – but again, the sheer size means there are always good deals available, particularly away from the major cities. REAL careful attention must be practiced, though, as local bylaws can easily override national ones, sometimes to disastrous effect on income and/or costs.
As always, PICK THE RIGHT TEAM, even more so in China where, unlike Japan, one can oh-so-easily get screwed over through outright malice or plain lack of planning.
When I get into Japan, in a few weeks, I'll try to illustrate this difference more sharply, but I think the US already hammered this particular lesson home for the Aus investor – the easier things seem and the more "familiar" in any country, the more one should watch out. It's actually the truly "alien" places at first sight that often turn out to be the more straightforward business environments, and the semi-familiar ones that end up eating would-be enterpreneurs alive, in my opinion, and China's another fine example.
The fact that there are so many hotshot English-speaking ex-pat headed agencies in the big cities doesn't mean squat, sometimes it only means they're very adept at pocketing foreigners' money, that's all. Not saying China is all peril, but it's certainly seems to be a complex, often unstable and unpredictable environment.
Mattsta – you need alot more information to work out what your friend's deal was all about. Can I suggest maybe studying a bit more about property investing generally before jumping into the (HUGE!) US foreclosure market?
Been reading about Brunei a bit since you posted – sounds like they're fat in more ways than one – one of Asia's richest per head, as it turns out – you could have struck a goldmine there )
Regardless of property, once you're settled in, and if you need some health products contacts, let me know – we represent/ed a date-pits health drink manufacturer from Aus/Israel, hand-cold-pressed coconut oil manufacturer from Fiji, both of whom sell internationally – as well as some super-food-Japanese-mushroom growers from both Aus and Jpn – would be more than happy to put you in touch with any of the above so you can cook something up together if you find any local interest (@moderator, not advertising anything, third party referrals).
Yes, please do post about local property market as you find out – would be very interested to learn more.
…the type of person who, whether they were in Phuket, Singapore, Darwin or Tunbridge Wells would pick up a real estate magazine and start crunching numbers…. then just for giggles start looking…To wade through the crap, to see the gem, to recognize the gem…try to find the right tenant to love it as quickly as possible………..the trick of yield management????? The precise dollar on the supply/demand curve at which your rent is neither under marketed nor over?? The smell of the hunt even…don't really have to worry what city I am in…No boardrooms, no townhall meetings, no planning commissions??? I LOVE IT…It is SO SO SO not about money
Hi Ziv, Japan may finally be waking up now after 23 years of collapse. Goldman investing in Japan property. Hedge funds/Investment Banks/Hot money has to flow somewhere…
It's been flowing for the last three years or so, since last year mostly to central-western Japan, at first from China, then Korean, and now we're seeing the first awakenings of the Anglo economies (which is why not many were aware of this so far).
As I was arguing extensively in this thread – https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forums/property-investing/overseas-deals/4344025 – our feelings on the ground, particularly with the amount of foreign interest evident by global consortiums and the post-Fukushima western migration, is very buyoant. Kyushu, Shikoku, Okinawa – these are all turning out to be very good places to be atm, with the better deals becoming a bit harder to get compared to last year, at least in Fukuoka.
Well, I know close to nothing (save what I read here) about investing in the US, so I'll stick to what I know. For a start, let me say that, if you're indeed a conniving spruiker, at least you're an eloquent, well informed one, so kudos on that at least. I'll leave the rest of the US related dissecting to those who know their turf, and concentrate on what I can answer –
USInvest wrote:
…our membership encompasses a lot more then access to our website to see what properties we have to sell. We give away quite a bit more then that, and our membership is also fully refundable…
Well, it's not exactly refundable, it's refundable to those who end up using your services. Big difference there, unless I'm mistaken?
USInvest wrote:
…We do not make money from people becoming members; we make money from selling quality investment properties…
Well, again, no – you're making MORE money when people buy your properties, but you're certainly making (a fair amount of) money from people who become members, and furthermore, if they end up choosing not to buy from you, that money, if I understand correcly, remains in your possession. Not saying there's anything inherently wrong there (well, there might be, depending on what content becomes available for that fee), just trying to use the correct phrase here – You certainly DO make money from people "becoming members". Again, if I misunderstand your refund rules I apologize in advance.
USInvest wrote:
I will try to explain our membership strategy because I see you are also in a similar business Selling Japanese property to Australian’s…I commend your approach to selling property, but this is not our current model…
It's not your current model, because I don't sell properties to anyone, nor do I buy them from anyone (except when I'm conducting business on my own behalf) – I represent others as their agent in Japan. The only similarity here is that we're both in the real-estate business, as far as I can see – you sell a product (property owned by your company, wherever it may have come from), and I sell a service. I also charge in advance, by the way, but this is for people WHO WISH TO USE MY SERVICES – not for people who want to see what it is that I do or what kind of property they can get by working with me. Again, not saying there's anything wrong there, only that we're nothing alike.
USInvest wrote:
…let me point out that we spend quite a bit of time and money researching the right markets…All our homes are fully renovated and tenanted, so a full turn key service…
I don't quite get your drift there – you research the market thoroughly, locate what you think are the most suitable deals for your purposes (selling them, rehabbed, to clients), then purchase those properties, rehab and tenant them, so they're owned by YOU and are already making YOU some decent money, whether you're holding on to them or selling them at a profit – if you were to stop right there, and just sell them on the open market like everybody else that research would have already been well justified, in my view. Instead, you choose to sell them to a list of selective clients, who "qualify" by paying you $995 in advance. And, once more – not saying there's anything inherently wrong there, but let's call it like it is – your research is for YOUR own benefit, and clients who choose to consider purchasing from YOU are considering purchasing YOUR properties, found by YOUR research, at a profit to YOU. The fee that they pay is to see which properties YOU own and are considering selling to them.
USInvest wrote:
…As some of you may know there is a lot of work involved with getting an overseas client ready to purchase in America. They must fully understand the tax implications…they must be properly structured with the right corporate veil to protect themselves from what we all know to be a highly litigious nation…On top of all that our members want finance…So we have a lot of work to do to make our members acceptable to the US banks…There is a lot more we do long before a person can buy a property in America with us…
Just out of curiosity, should your website potentially display these properties freely, and you were to charge this fee, oh, I don't know, say when a person actually wants to buy one, as a booking fee of sorts and before you go through all the hassle of qualifying them, what exactly would you have lost, save for a few hours corresponding with that person (what I call establishing a relationship with a potential client and don't charge a cent for, but maybe that's just me)? What do you stand to gain by forcing them to pay this only to view potential properties (and I've yet to read what else they get, asides from your precious time informing them of aspects of the purchase)?
USInvest wrote:
…a few years back we never charged a membership fee, much like your model now zmagen. Because of this we experienced a lot of window shoppers…wasted a lot of our time…
I understand your pain, I really do, and we also experience alot of this, but unfortunately, this is business – you get window shoppers, tire kickers, time wasters etc. We also charge in advance for our SERVICE (which, again, is nothing like your model, as we don't buy, own, transfer or sell property), and take the time and effort to explicitly explain to potential clients that the properties they see online are samples, may not be available by the time they qualify and pay their fees, and should be used as guidelines to what can be achieved. We only charge when someone decides to work with us, though, and make sure they are aware that they are now being charged, as we will now be spending our resources to assist them in their intent to purchase in Japan – NOT when they're considering it or in exchange for informing them of what we can do for them or what's involved. Like you, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your model (although, if all they get for their money is your list of available properties and explanations as to what's involved purchasing in the US, I do have a problem with it), just that we're nothing alike.
USInvest wrote:
…Things stay exclusive for our members…without those properties being available to any guy with an internet connection (no disrespect to your current model zmagen)…
No offence taken, we're actually very proud of our transparency and lack of "exclusivity" as you call it – and we're very happy to spend time informing our clients how exactly they can take advantage of the market we're in, and what it is exactly that we'll be doing for them, so that they're able to clearly see what it's worth for them. All we do is open up communications channels between cultures and environments that are normally not aware of each other – and if you think it's easy to get the properties that we advertise by yourself, I'd love to see you try and hear how you went – yes, it's possible, once you establish the experienced, multilingual, savvy and well connected team that we and others like us have (and there aren't alot of those out of the big cities and big budgets in Japan, where good cashflow deals are all but non-existent). This takes time and effort, saves a whole lot of time, effort and costly mistakes for the client, and costs a whole lot of money to set up – and this is exactly what we (proudly) charge for. By the time someone from another country finishes chasing up one of these properties, assuming he can convince the seller, realtor and agency legal reps to accept them as purchasers, we would have been able to build him a small but profitable portfolio, probably at half the overhead cost of his single unit purchase.
This is without even touching on the fact that the best deals out there (again, what you're seeing on the website are samples, updated every several weeks – you can imagine some of these properties are offered on and accepted a bit quicker than that) don't normally reach our (or anyone's) website, as they're advertised in a quick email first, and often "snatched" over the phone before they get published, by a qualified buyer who had us (or somebody else) ready to pounce for them. But of course, you know how all this works – the only difference is really in when and what we charge our clients for, and whether this is all that we make (in our case and that of other buyers' agents and proxies), or just as an added "bonus" or "insurance" (in your case).
Again, I may disagree, depending on what it is you give your clients for this membership fee and how exactly you refund them if they're unhappy with the content – and this was what my comment regarding free content was aiming at. I'd still love to hear what it is you offer your clients for this $995 fee because, no offense, charging them just to view listings that you've researched, purchased and rehabbed because you want to sell them at a profit, doesn't cut it for me personally.
You need do your own homework and most importantly understand what you are researching.
Plenty of information on the forum to help you.
Having said that, there are quite a few capable individuals in these forums who have a proven track record helping people achieve these goals. You’ll see their names being mentioned repeatedly (and not in advertisement posts )
These are a good place to start too. Anyone who provides you with ample information which you could act on independently if you so wished, as opposed to those who tell you you can’t do it without them and should be very afraid to do so, is probably someone worth investigating further.
Well I will be starting a family with my wife in Brunei, which is a goal of sorts. But I guess with investment goals I will have to get back to you on that. Things will become clearer once I start getting some sort of cash flow for the US properties.
Mate, forget property, best of luck and congrats! ) what’s Brunei like? (I know, moderator, it’s off topic, have a heart )