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  • Profile photo of Ziv Nakajima-MagenZiv Nakajima-Magen
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    As it turns out, btw (I didn't know that) – Japan surpassed China as Asia-Pacific's largest RE investment market this financial year – so the radiation, real or not, isn't deterring anyone, Japanese or otherwise.

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/australia-property-idINL4E7ML0GQ20120724

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    I was considering china for a while, but don’t consider myself the gambling type. Their “policies” are too capricious, to be mild.

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    The fallout map's becoming clearer and clearer as months pass (not thanks to the government, but rather thanks to international groups and concerned citizens) – but we're with you there, we started our investments in the furthest-most regions from the accident location (south-west, over 1,300 kms from Fukushima) – and do not progress further east until we're absolutely certain there are no hot-spots or other similar problems.

    Having said that, the Japanese aren't going anywhere – they continue to live in Japan (even in close proximity to Fukushima, which is beyond me), and they're your tenants, not international business-folk or tourists. As sad as it may sound, the vast majority of tenants (particularly for the type of older, smaller units we normally source) can't afford to leave the country and, being Japanese, the vast majority doesn't even consider this an option – their "Shoganai" mentality (translated as something similar to "ce-la-vi", or "oh, well, what can you do") premates everything, including their response to the nuclear accident. Unfortunate for the younger generations, I hope this changes – but quite fortunate and lucrative for the foreign investor as a result.

    For general information, the last documented hotspot found (and this is back in March) is at the Eastern border of Nagano, somehwere around the middle of the country – and hundreds of kilometers from anywhere we'd recommend purchasing (not that purchasing in Tokyo seems to bother anyone, if those links above are anything to judge by).

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    Short answer – don't invest in Japan for capital growth or preservation – it's a pure cash-flow investment.

    Long answer –

    1) capital value – Personally, I don't think you should count on capital appreciation or preservation anywhere you buy, as it's pure speculation, particularly in the last five years. Example – my "smack-dead-middle-of-dream-suburbia" Melbourne property, which I've just sold, a property which used to gain 10-15% cap value in good years – has made an average of 3.4% in the last five years (not bad considering conditions actually) – and Australia's supposed to be one of the best places in the world, CG-wise!
    Give me 10-15% reliable cash-flow over the CG casino philosophy any day of the week.

    2) tenant base – We invest in areas where population trends tend to differ to the rest of Japan. This year, for example, we've been dealing mainly in Kyushu, focusing mainly on Fukuoka prefecture and Fukuoka city – an area where core family population figures (couples plus young children) are actually rising, in stark contrast to the rest of Japan. The two main factors affecting this unusual trend are substantial private and commercial migrations from Tokyo (those who can afford to wish to distance themselves and their operations from Fukushima), as well as increasing business interest from China and Korea (who are in closest proximity to Kyushu, in South-West Japan). More business means more employees, which in turn means more tenants (particularly for the types of units we normally recommend, single/core-family sized studios and 1-bedders). If that's not enough, it's my honest and firm belief that vacancy rates in Japan, when compared on a case by case basis to other countries, are hugely skewered, as Japanese don't like to allow government (eq. of section 8 or housing) tenants – we have no problem with these, as we don't suffer from the Japanese stigma – and from experience, these folk find it very hard to get housing as owners shun them (and they're normally just sick, disabled or elderly, nothing like the types of people you'd get in housing or section 8 in Aus or the USA). Add to that the fact that the average Japanese tenant tends to stay in one place far longer than its Western counterpart, and you'll begin to realize why our tenant base if very far from depleting.
    Last but not least, Japanese authorities are actually considering an overhaul in migration laws to allow incoming migrants to boost population and work force – this has already started (major laws changed several months ago), and there's probably more to come, in the explicit purpose of battling this shrinking population issue.

    3) stable income – as a result of the above, coupled with the fact that the Japanese yen is one of the world's more stable currencies, we don't really give a stuff about capital growth/shrinkage/levelling – the income continues to flow and be attractive, as the yen is not likely to "crash and burn" anytime in the forseeable future – if anything, it takes great efforts to keep it from rising, if the last year is anything to go by – and this is in the midst of the GFC, and with the country still battling devastation from last year's earthquake, tsunami and subsequent nuclear spillage.

    All of the above is written to demonstrate why we don't rely or care about capital value – the cash-flow is that good and that reliable.

    Regardless of all that, it seems that for the first time in two decades, there may actually be some capital growth in Japan as well – while, again, we DO NOT speculate and DO NOT recommend translating this kind of 2 quarter trend into an "investment strategy", it seems like the "big boys" are fairly confident in their capital growth potential, as this (partial) selection of business news from the last year will demonstrate – 

    Goodman group/Macquerie – "High Hopes for Jap assets" http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/australian-listed-companies-have-high-hopes-for-japanese-assets/story-e6frg8zx-1226021389618

    China/Singapore JV – $1.6 Bil
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577108230835329396.html

    Deutsche Bank Group – "2012 – the start of the J-REIT decade" –
    http://www.nippontradings.com/japan-real-estate/deutsche-bank-2012-the-jreits-next-decade/

    Fortress Holdings – $1 Bil
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-27/fortress-said-to-target-1-billion-for-japan-property-fund-1-.html

    Goldman Sachs – $3.4 Bil http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-01/goldman-aims-to-expand-reit-to-300-billion-yen-as-market-bottoms

    Angelo Gordon – undisclosed sum allocated for Jap expansion – http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-16/angelo-gordon-seeks-more-japanese-properties-eyeing-recovery

    There's heaps more, but I've probably bored you enough by now. :)))

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    Heard bad (as in unstable and unsafe) things about the Philippines…not much about Taiwan. Would be good to get some feedback.

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    whathouse wrote:
    As someone with several properties in Bulgaria and who lives there for 6 months a year I can categorically say that nowhere can you get double your money here. Maybe if you were in at the start of the boom back in 2003/2004 but not now. Now you can get property for peanuts because there are so many desperate sellers. Great time to buy a holiday home or move abroad to there if want a change in lifestyle but yo make your millions – forget it!

    Can you please shed some more light on the last ten years or so there, as far as economy/property market goes? I'm very curious, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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    Cheers – hope this sheds some light on the vital differences in mentality, and why Japan's probably the safest environment one could purchase real-estate in. :)

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    emma171 wrote:
    …pay the sheriff to do it (I think about $39)… you go back to the Sheriff and say sigh, they haven't paid (interestingly they take your word for it – how bizarre)…and the sheriff will then toddle off down there, do a lock out and you get your house back…

    Loving it. :) We have a variation on this with Gov Sup (eq of sec 8) tenants in Japan – property manager finds one, looks them over, then instead of them signing the lease, pm signs as "tenant" in front of owner – "actual" tenant stuffs up, (late pay is worst, damages literally never occur there) pm pays for their mishaps till they're sick of 'em, then somehow make them disappear. we don't ask. vacant, clean, next tenant enters. easy.

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    LiamT wrote:

    Hi everyone, I was looking at buying an investment property in either QLD or WA…

    Also weighing up the idea of investing overseas… I hear some pretty encouraging stuff but I am not exactly an expert…

    Go Gladstone, or any other industry and manufacturing (as opposed to "pure" mining) areas – better chances for it to be a bit longer term than a mine.
    If overseas, make sure you buy in a highly regulated, corruption free country. There are sometimes some very attractive deals in some very shonky places – try to avoid those.

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    emma171 wrote:
    NOMADS are us…..we are a rare breed!  Thus why I make the commitment to the client and their investment, not the specific property and city…

    I hear ya. Getting headaches keeping up with timezones too. Japan-Aus not too bad, but now looks like US and Europe entering the mix. Strange two or three years up ahead.

    You just can't run a moneymaking portfolio, for yourself or for anybody else, without being on the move constantly. Have to know the areas you deal in, even if someone else is running things for you there – at least once or twice a year – or half the year if it's your main place of investment – and as you expand, so does the travelling.

    Home's where the family is, so all over the place. When the little one hits school age this'll have to stop. Till then, having too much fun :)

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    Fascinating thread, boys, thank you. :)

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    There are countries in the world (Japan, China, India) where you can buy a single $20K apartment profitably – but I don't think the USA is one of them – the banking, insurance and HOA systems there make it unprofitable, as far as I can tell from what I read on here. I'd put $40-50K as a minimum profitable entry there, but I could be wrong.

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    emma171 wrote:
    too reliant on someone else that I wouldn’t be able to take over…

    Yup, English, Japanese or Urdu, you can’t remote-manage properties in more than one country if you’re into micro-mgmt, this is all about putting your dd, then faith, into the best team you can get, then “letting go” and just making macro decisions. quite the opposite of “taking over” actually, but leaves one with a lot of time to find the next deals. I’d rather trust the pros any day of the week- one can only be good at so many things.

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    jayhinrichs wrote:
    But then again 15% and higher is an illusive imaginary figure anywhere as well.

    Don’t know about higher, but 14-15% is quite achievable, just takes a few months of waiting and some aggressive negotiation. If you can get more than one property and reduce legal/facilitation fees further you might not even have to wait that long. Ain’t no warzone either, just metro Japan.

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    The General wrote:
    Trust in God.

    Gramps used to say "In god we trust. Everybody else pays cash".

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    nor could the planet, all good :)

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    showoff…looks wicked but

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    That's great news, Terry, thanks :)

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    Menunes wrote:
    …Not that im an expert by any means but I feel the "one-stop-shop" companies are to be avoided…

    I wouldn't knock all "one-stop-shops" (a very general term) and recommend people avoid them just because they charge a fee.

    Some of these guys are superb at what they do (Emma, Kyler, Alex, Jay, to name just a few on these forums, for example, who probably fall under that wide category) and I'd feel very comfortable paying their charge any day of the week.

    Transperancy, communication and DD are key, whether you do things yourself (which means live, at least for a fair bit of time, wherever you happen to be investing) or through a team, whether that team happens to reside at the same firm or not is completely irrelevant – they'll all charge you for their services, and rightly so.

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    NealeinMI wrote:
    …Why not spend your money on Australian Real Estate.  You can control it yourself, and you don't have to fly to the US to check on your investments.

    Agree with everything except 5.

    I have good, reliable Australian investments. The cashflow sucks. It's hard to find profitably geared, long-term, affordable deals. And they cost heaps.

    I think in the US, if you buy wisely into whatever investment, with the right team or verified and reasonably safe structure, you can generate, at the very least, 7-8% in rental yield, and a pretty good chance of capital gain. That's double the average on a "good buy" here in Aus (barring mining towns, but don't know that's long-term), with a quarter or less the investment minimum, for a darn good, reliable area.

    It's a sweeping generalisation, there's better to be found in both places if you dig long and hard, and if winds blow your way, but as a minimum reliable return (pretax), that'll be about it. Double the return, quarter of the entry levels, same or slightly lower capital gain expectation (which nobody can rely on anyway).

    Good enough reason to go anywhere, no?

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