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    <<<the velocity of our money>>>

    Does the recent seminar have anything to do with this sale? You probably would have got more velocity if you had decided to sell 12 months ago when Steve and Dave started. Not now that they have decided to let the world know.

    Oh well – there are always followers.

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    Well I can only go on my experience.

    Back in 1997 my wife and I only had $10k. Now we have equity worth over $500k. And over $100k in redraw facilities – access by netbank.

    I find it hard to believe anyone could have started in 1997 with $10k and have over $500k in shares now.

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    Yes its a simplistic example.

    Let me make the following points. This is what I was trying to get accross.

    1. You can leverage more in property hence $100k in the example.
    2. Commentators always say shares and managed funds make a greater return than property – hence 5% v 20%
    3. My simplistic example does not allow for costs etc – but over the long term – 5 to 10 yrs – you are heaps better off with property.

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    Why its property and only property for me –

    1. Look at the friends of your parents. All the ones who drive nice cars and live in beautiful houses have invested in property.

    2. Property generates a higher value return. With my initial investment of $10,000 I can generate a greater return on property than shares.

    Here is an example. You buy a $100,000 property with a $10,000 Deposit. Its worth $105,000 at the end of the first year. This is a modest return of 5%. This means your $10,000 has generated $5,000 in the twelve months.

    Lets compare this to shares. You invested your $10,000 into blue chip shares and managed funds. You made a 20% return. Any fund manager who makes that would be very happy. So your investment is now worth $12,000. That means your $10,000 investment has generated $2,000 in twelve months. Your property investment has generated $5,000 – which is better than $2,000.

    3. Time Value of Money

    When I buy a property today that is the price I pay for it. In 5 years time you will think how cheap that price seems today. You will say I should have bought more of those properties. It looks so low today compared to what a similar property costs now. Do you remember as a kid how many mixed lollies you got for 50 cents. You can also compare the cost of that property to what your income is 5 years later. You will be able to service that debt easier as your income would also have gone up in 5 years

    And I have another 15 reasons why – maybe its time I write a Book.

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    If everyone is selling at the same price – why not just sell at a lower price than offer a holiday or TV etc.

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    <<<<As I said sometime something has to give>>>>

    I agree that something has to give. In my opinion its gotta be House prices. We are at historical Highs. House affordability is worse than when interest rates were at 17%. Property yields are too low. Household debt is too high.

    For the benefit of the economy and the people in it, its best to reduce house prices and reduce household debt. Thats why interest rates must go up. These must be at manageable long term levels. They are heated at the moment.

    If you were driving the economy – what would you do?

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    I have read his Book and enjoyed it.

    Basically he is into renovate and hold properties and in between trade shares and options to supplement income to buy more properties.

    I like his property side of things but I am not into the trading of shares and options. Too hard for me.

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    I saw the other thread and I would love to receive a $5k holiday/gift when buying a property.

    The issues I have are as follows;

    1. Your paying for the gift anyway. Someone had to pay for it so its built into the purchase price of the property.

    2. Are there any tax implications? My guess is that there would be. eg. Price of Property $250k, price of holiday $5k. Therefore the cost price for property is $245k. So you may have some capital gains implications. But I am just surmising. (is there such a word).

    There may be some people interested in this deal. For some people on good incomes its certainly easier to buy a property than save for a holiday. So these people may be interested.

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    <<<If you continue to stifle inflation by messing around with interest rates and not leave things up to market forces, sometime something has to give.>>>>

    Market forces are not perfect. What every government wants is to have an economomy that grows at a steady low rate.

    To achieve this, you may need to tinker with interest rates. Thats one of the tools available to drive the economy.

    If we left things to market forces then we would have heaps of people buying homes, then eventually we will hit a limit and growth will stop and move to a depression, then to a boom.

    By tinkering with inteest rates, hopefully we can achieve steady growth in the economy that benefits all.

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    My advice would be to see an accountant. I assume this unit is not your PPOR – You do have a capital gain of $70k which means you have to add $35k to your salary.

    So in effect you will be paying tax on a taxalbe income of $61k.

    However if you have another investment property there may be deductions that could come off your taxable income.

    Go seek some professional advice.

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    Wayne

    I had a look at your graph. Thats why we need to be conservative and make sure that we can afford to keep our properties if interest rates rise. It no good borrowing too much. Its all the more reason why we need to save a sufficient deposit before making another purchase.

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    You better check with your accountant – as you only had the property for less than 12 months you may be able to offset the loss against other income as you may not be able to carry forward the loss against future capital gains.

    I am not expert – so go check.

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    Is the body corp run by an owner of one of the units or a body corp company?

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    Its the market that determines rent.

    You need to get independent evidence to present to the property manager. Its a little difficult being far away but you need to see what rent other properties with your features and in your position go for.

    Maybe you can gather this from realestate.com.au

    Thats how i present my rent increases to a property manager and they have no come back.

    Its upto you, but I would prefer to keep a regular paying tenant at $5 below market than incurr the hassles of a tenant leaving just for a few extra bucks a month.

    If you dont mind the possibility of getting a new tenant, go for it. If you are comfortable that a $10 increase is the market rent and the tenants wont get a better deal elsewhere, go for it.

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    I get newsletters from http://www.wiseinvestment.com.au/htm/default.asp and the property investors club sent me a monthly newsletter.

    Please note – i read the newsletters because i have a passion for property but I would never buy property from them.

    They are property marketers, so I always take some of their articles with a grain of salt.

    I love the way they always have a go at valuers who undervalue their properties.

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    I have no idea either. Maybe many people think that they can get positive cashflow in Tassie and thats all there is to investing in property in the long term.

    I dont expect that to continue. We will get back to fundamentals in a few years. Tassie will show little if any growth, as interest rates rise recent investors will question whether the few dollars in their pockets is worth the stress and effort.

    For locals who had properties 5-10 yrs ago – you can expect more bargains in the future.

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    Yes – everthing has gone up over the last 2-3 years – even rural areas. Even those beach huts (dog boxes) on the beach.

    It does not mean it will continue – land is more scarce closer to the city and over the long term, growth will be higher than new estates where the farmland next door will get developed over time.

    If I had money to INVEST I would put it as close to the city as possible. But NOT inner city apartments.

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    I personally dont like new housing developments on the outskirts of a major city. The closer to the city you can invest, will result in better capital gains in the long run.

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    Well Done. Congratulations.

    The reason I use this forum over say somersoft is because its easier to navigate, its easier on the eyes and it looks good.

    Congratulations Steve and team.

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    I dont invest in towns for the reasons given by greatpig – I want to be able to sleep at night.

    The conditions outlined in the book are from the past and not in todays environment.

    I recall when I could have bought a house in Nth Frankston for $60k and rent out for $120 per week. That is not the case today but was in 1996/97.

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