hi AnnaB,
the returns on paper sound good ~13.5%. although commercial does offer these fantastic returns, you also have to keep in mind that it is harder to rent out should a vaccancy occur after 2 years. Is it the type of property that would appeal to various retail stores (if its retail) or do many structural changes have to be made by a new tennant? does it have addequate road frontage etc. I recently had a retail commercial property that was untennanted for 4 months and that was on a busy main road corner in a city of 1.2 millon (Adelaide). so get some feel for how difficult it would be to re-let. it may be worth speaking to the current tennant in person to see how their business is going and what they think they may be doing in the future, are they happy to stay on? can do this over the phone but I always think its a good idea to visit them. I have also found it helpful to ring commercial agents in the area to get an idea of how easy it is to rent out certain properties and how long it usually takes.
as part of the due diligence, it may be a good idea to have someone look at the lease because unlike residential leases, commercial leases are sometimes not regulated, the landlord and tennant could agree to any terms. mostly they are in the favour of the landlord, but have someone experienced with leases have a look at it.
I would also get a building inspection done to ensure the building itself is sound.
although I personally have never purchased a property I have never seen, I know many people that have as long as all the due diligence steps are done either by yourself or someone else.
Hi Breej
Im from SA and buy property in SA. I could recomend a conveyancer for you too. Roger Scott from Coneyancing corner in Kurralta park. phone 8371 4811. We use him regularly and highly recomend him. Maybe you could ring all you have been reffered to and go with one that you feel most comfortable with.
Hi Manush,
just a few points to help you make up your mind.
if you sell the block, you are subject to CGT (unless you currently live in the property) and also to stamp duty when you sell your property and also to 2 stamp duties when you buy the two new ones. Also factoring in agents commisions and other costs. You have to be able to sell your property for a high enough price and buy the two new ones at a low enough price to offset all these costs.
building another property on the existing one may be a cheaper exercise because you avoid all the costs and taxes of selling. I dont think you need to pay for subdivison costs unless you are planning to sell both (but check this).
I would do some research on costs involved and write then down on an excell sheet. include estimated rental incomes, purchases of new properties and costs of building (ring a builder but can use $2500 per m2 as a rough guide) compare the two scenarios on paper and see which one fares better. I would guess that building would come out to be more cost effective.
Hi Prophecy,
I think subdividing and selling off a house and block of land is a great way to get cashflow.
just some suggestions?
not sure what state you are in, but some councils can take months just to pre-approve a subdivision after a surveyor has submitted the plans. you need to factor in this time when negotiating a settlement period. It may also be helpfull to make the contract subject to this pre-approval.
subdivison can also be a costly exercise and you may need to pay for it before the land or house is sold. You can sell the land before settlement, but I think relying on this sale for finance is risky business. Also Not sure what type of land you have, hammer head subdivisions tend to take longer to sell than corner blocks.
The biggest piece of advice I can give you about these types of deals is ALWAYS BUY UNDER MARKET VALUE. We always try to buy 20% below or no deal!!! especially in a non booming market like we have now. this gives you a buffer zone incase of unexpected expenses or if you need to hold the property longer than expected.
All the best, if you go ahead you will learn alot from it!
thanks for the reply Tom,
I wasnt aware of the article and the fact that the industry is unregulated has answered alot of the frustrations we have come across.
All the buyers agens that we contacted in adelaide were also RE agents and they seem to think that you have to be. I guess they are just protecting their own interests. The real estate institute of SA has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what a buyer’s agent is and after being directed from one person to the next for an hour, they finally sent me an application form for a RE agent’s lisence because they seem to think that you need it if you want to have anything to do with real estate. the fact that they had no idea what I was on about would make sense if the industry is unregulated.
your response has been very helpfull
thankyou. now I know the right questions to ask
Did I ask a question that has no answer??? Maybe I should try to ask it differently.
Buyer’s agents working in South Australia (well the ones that I have contacted anyway) are lisenced real estate agents who have decided to work for the buyers instead of the vendors. A buyers agents lisence cannot be obtained in SA without a real estate agents lisence.
our problem is that after years of working up good relationships with agents and buying lots of property, we have now reached a stage where deals are coming easier and may reach a stage where we cannot buy every deal. We are now thinking along the lines of “selling the deals” to other investors, the way a buyer’s agent does. However, we are investors and not lisenced agents, so we have no right to act for buyers.
The other way around it is to charge a “spotters” fee.
“Spotting” in SA as far as I know is not a legally enforced practice. So after negotiating a deal for a client, they can walk away with the deal and not have to pay the spotter anything. And there is no law that says they have to. This makes spotting a risky business.
Has anyone found a way around these issues? Anyone acting as a spotter or bird dog in SA that is not a lisenced agent?????
hi summo, just found this post while brousing through. i know its too late for this one but who comes to these meetings? im interested in networking with investors in adelaide!!!
thanks for the info. i will check out montessori
thinking outside the square is definately a good start. both my husband and i spent 10 years at uni getting PhDs that led to jobs in research where we would spend 14 hours a day thinking of the next ground breaking medical breakthrough. although we are glad we have been there and done that, we are also gratefull to be out of it and making more money in property by working a fraction of the time.
what i would love for my kids is to distinguish the difference between academic and financial education, during uni, we were not even aware that the latter even existed!!!
as for the rich dad board games, we have them
all (even the kids one), they are great fun especially if you have like-minded friends.
Hi ferris608,
i actually did send you an email a while ago enquiring about the pair of properties you were talking about, maybe it didnt go through??? Anyway if you would still like to share that info, please email me at [email protected] or give me a ring on 0405 821 120 i would be very keen to hear what you have to say.
hi fullout, congratulations on your first property and on getting the investing bug. my god it is a GREAT feeling isnt it [] people often say how scared they are, i find that i have been over the moon with excitement with every deal i make.
dont worry about the numbers, thats what bank managers and mortgage brockers are for [^] if the new purchase is rented already, that will add to your income, go back to your financiers and see what you can get, you cant loose anything by trying. although, i might get scolded for saying this here, i do nothing down deals using existing eqity all the time []
thanks for the advice everyone, as i said, im not new to investing but am new to these space age ideas that are coming up in recent investment seminars and books. seems like i may be on the right track. []
thanks for the advice guys, i actually went to a seminar about property investing given by Robert Kiyosaki, very motivational and highly promotional of his own products (cant blame the guy for trying) anyone else go?
anyway, i met up with a group of accountants/finance advisors from the mint group in adelaide and consequently will be meeting with an accountant called Hank Wamsteker from pierie executive services, im told he is a PI and dosent sound half bad. anyone know of him or had any expereince with this group?
i’ll let you know how the meeting goes and what advice he can give me (i already know what i want to hear [][])
thanks saskatoon, i will try your conveyensor on my next property deal []
just curious, but i just spent 3 years in saskatoon, canada doing medical research, my son was also born there [][] any resemblence to your alias [?][?][?]
yes, i agree with what Stephanie said, beach-front property is highly inflated compared to equivalent property that is not beach-front, the % rental returns also seem to be lower due to paying for the view and not the property. another problem that i see with the more expensive suburbs of adelaide which include beach fronts and eastern suburbs is that the older houses are redeveloped before they are sold which also inflates the prices. ie if someone spent $1000 to take out old carpet and polish up floorboards, the value of the house will inflate to more than the $1000 spent. hence as an investor i have been looking for properties in ORIGINAL condition, not redeveloped or enhanced in any way, i want to do all that myself once i buy the property. Such original properties are very hard to find in high capital growth areas []. agents actually tell the vendors to redevelop before sale
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still if you want to invest for capital growth east and beach side is the way to go in adelaide, they will however be negatively geared so adequate finance to support them is a must. have done this before and given enough time and the right area negative geared properties will revert to positive geared, not sure if this is a great investment tool though
at the moment, we are looking at positive geared properties and like Stephanie and Andrew S, i think northern inland suburbs may be the way to go []
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