However, I purchased in Atlanta primarily for cashflow among other things, where I was achieving 20% gross return on properties, unfortunately this has now changed.
I like the warm climate, hopefully less maintenance.
Atlanta has more than one industry.
You may be interested in the attached stats on population trends for Atlanta.
I thionk the Perth market is one of the best in the country, along with Sydney. The population growth in Perth is the highest out of any capital city, and with lots of mining activity there is quite a bit of money floating around.
However Perth does not have the geographical supply problems that Sydney does so I think that while the inner areas of Perth will do well, the outer areas may not do as well in the medium term. There is supply of new suburbs being developed in close proximity to transport and within a 30 minute or so drive to the city. I think these suburbs will weigh down the appreciation of older established suburbs that are nearby and other outlying suburbs.
Cheers, Luke
I agree Luke inner will do well… I hope so anyway.
I have watched my suburb/area free fall for the last couple of years (Mt Lawley)….. units have held their own but period homes have definately taken a hit.
Saw a report recently saying that the medium house price in Perth had only changed by $1,000 since 2006. Not saying that their isn't opportunity there, but with only 1,000,000 living over that side of the country and 21,000,000 odd living over this side, you can understand why it fluctuates so much. I was out at Gregory Hills, SW Sydney the other day. Amazing how much is going on out there. Over 100,000 homes going in over the next 10 – 15 years or so. Good infrastructure and no stamp duty in NSW makes it good value.
I guess it comes down to the old rule. Look for where there is Infrastructure, Government spending and Population growth and that's where the gold will be.
This is good feedback, I certainly like Western Syd and I purchased in this area about 18 months ago. This property provides excellent cashflow as it has a self contained granny flat which was already in place. To replicate this again in Syd would not be difficult, however as far as I am aware you can not get bank finance for the granny flat and trying to refinance would not be worth the effort.
This is my dilemma, I like Syd and I like to chase cycles, I feel this will be the next boom area, who knows when but its a case of positioning yourself.
As far as Perth goes I am finding properties about 12-15km from city where rezoning is occuring and I have the opportunity to purchase in low 300s and its a matter of sitting and waiting (land banking). This will not be cashflow positive, however in the interim you will get reasonable growth, its already happening. If you can keep the front property and build at the back you will have a great little money spinner down the track.
Ok, thanks. I find the US insurance policies shocking, as you pretty much need your house to burn down, otherwise the policies are useless from what I can see.
You guys in US call it "deductables", very, very high…….. we call it an "Excess" and generally you nominate, I guess the norm would be $200.
My understanding in US if you claim your premium goes through the roof anyway….. you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
You guys get screwed whichever way you look at it. You really need to look at the way we do things here in Australia, we play nice…..
wi send me an e mail we have 200 plus doors I work through this weekly be glad to help you JLH [email protected]
Hi Jay yes I will shoot you an email.
I have had one quote to date, by placing all houses on one policy can make a substantial saving around $2400 pa which is excellent, also with a blended policy this means you do not have to take out a policy when the house is vacant, so set and forget.
I guess they both have a vested interest in keeping the positive spin…… but I will buy this
The foreclosure inventory remains high. Why does this matter? First, the people living in those houses haven’t yet joined the renter population. As they do, there will be more demand for rentals. And as those properties work their way into the market, they’ll keep prices down. That’s good if you want to acquire properties at good prices (value investing). If you’re a buyer of investment real estate, how long do you want the sale to last? For us, we hope the sale lasts awhile, so we can stock up!
I just signed up, relatively easy (5 minutes), all they required were 2 IDs, I provided passport number and licence number.
They will advise if they require copies etc. This is far easier than setting up with Ozforex. My account will be activated in 24 hours.
I also contacted their Aus phone number to clarify whether I can transfer funds from my bank account in US and what is required, all good.
for all US transfer they require is:
Us Bank Account number Branch Code Brance address Routing Code
Each wire transaction will cost $22 (flat rate) regardless of the amount you are transferring to Aus.
I will keep you all posted as I will be transferring funds shortly. Certainly this is great, as it will cost less transferring funds, competitive currency rates and most importantly side line the banks woeful system and costly bank fees.
I just wanted to add this somewhere and then read your entry Feckle and laughed my very little derriere off but this is apt… Surplus… C@#$ No chance… sorry, when, as still semi Alaskan I read that the Alaska Permanent Fund is investing 400 mill into the foreclosed housing market, Warren B is advocate and they are bundling by the thousands… Sorry kiddies, the world is on the bandwagon and the US gate keepers to UBER wealth are buying…. bulk buyers… give up… individuals, leap – retail buyers will out bid professionals but by gosh, if your market is marked up by hyper inflated repair bills on top of repairs? IE the Demetrius Mathis' of the world – your days are numbered… the big guns are in now.. Still BLOODY funny feckle.
I started this post on 5 April, did not expect things to change so quickly.
So what happens over the next 12 months will be very interesting.
What I can see has happened recently is:
Aus$ is falling. RBA wil be meeting next week, if interest rates fall which seems highly likely we could see the Aus$ continue to slip/slide.
Houses in Atlanta that I was purchasing at $35K-50K are now selling somewhere around $60-70K.
If banks continue to drip feed foreclosures this will add pressure and prices may continue to rise.
Will Oz investors pull back if the Aus $ falls back to 90c as this will erode the yields???
One thing for sure if you timed it correctly you can certainly make money bringing back the US $.
If you can not pay your creditors, ie banks in Oz and as mentioned "bankruptcy", credit rating will be shot and no lender will touch you in Oz. I believe it takes 7 years for or more for this to be removed from your credit file.
Hi Alex I understand this is the case and unfortunately for the purpose of SMSF (Aus retirement fund) Wells Fargo does not comply as it does not have an affiliated bank in Australia and that is the issue.
One of the stipulations from ATO (Australian Tax Office) is that the bank set up in US for chanelling rental income from SMSF has an affiliated bank account in Australia as mentioned previously, also refer to SAH post above.
Bank of America and there are others fit this criteria.
Therefore anyone considering purchasing via SMSF need to set up the correct bank account otherwise they may find that as they do not comply with ATO rules could be taxed as much as 48%, this would be a very painful experience considering one should be paying 15% tax.
Its complicated and I don't pretend to understand any more than anyone posting, however, I have been liaising with an accountant who has been involved in this process for other investors and I believe he understands what is required to comply and of course there are many other issues where one would require professional help to get it right.
I think one of the important aspects of this conversation as it relates to WI is that she has sufficient MASS or SCALE… I think she mentioned that she has 8 properties to date, So probably a 400 to 500k investment on her and her husbands part…. As well as based on what she has shared she has bought in the easier to manage areas of Atlanta and did not go for the cheapest thing on the market, And this is a big AND,,, last year is not this year in the market, All those who were trying to time the bottom well you missed it by and large at least in the Metro ATlanta market…WI I and others timed it well just because they made a decision to proceed… So WI has again by what she has stated on the forum 8k to 12k coming in monthly gross ( if everyone pays) and or more. With this kind of financial commitment and investment you have the scalability to run this as a little business… And here is my point I bet WI spends a pretty good amount of her month e mailing skyping and other management duties managing her managers. And running her small rental business… I doubt seriously that she just sits in her easy chair collecting her rents as is portrayed buy the Turn Key companies And yes if they have to travel to Atlanta 1 or 2 times a year for the 5 to 10k a year that would cost, its just the cost of doing business. so you add in those cost to Property management, vacancy when and if she will have any,, and on going repairs… TAx's insurance. etc etc. And its a nice cash flowing business, but it is a business and needs to be treated as one. Where this model goes Squirrly is for the investor that buys 1 or 2 properties.. There is no scale and no mass.. So fixed expenses travel expenses they cut into the return in an inordinate % of gross rents… if you have one property and you pay 5k to come and look at it before you buy it. there went year one 50% of your rental yeilds.. add in other costs and your brake even or negative geared year one. So I think the comparison to the TWH model for the smaller investor the one that would like to dip their toe… Is pretty easy,,, No need to come view your Note purchase as you do not own the property just the debt with equity, NO closing costs or any other fee expect the purchase of the note… And thats kind of how it goes in our market here in the US. I have only had 1 client actually physically visit there Note purchase out of over 5 million dollars worth of note sales in the last 12 months… I mean the CPA and doctors from Perth invested with us specifically because they did not have the time to spend 2 weeks running around the US…. At the end of the day of course the US welcomes the OZ investor and love it that they are coming here and spending money on properties hotels food rental cars… Airline tickets.. Although Qauntas probably gets the lions share of those fees. Anyway something to think about.
I started investing in US about 12 months ago and I was initially looking at purchasing 10-15 properties, however as a fellow investor mentioned I have been spoilt with the great deals I secured at $35,000-50,000 and now most of the deals/properties that fit my criteria are more like $60,000-70,000 where 20% gross return will be very difficult to achieve. I am sure there are still plenty of great deals— just harder to find and with the Aus$ falling back will just add further pressure.
I agree for this to work you need to be buying multiple properties, its a numbers game. You are correct Jay my investment in US is around $500K approximately $62,000 per property (fully rehabbed & associated costs/fees), I do not sit back watching the money flow in, though at the moment I am enjoying a healthy bank balance in US, just a shame I am having problems trying to work out the best way to bring the money back to Oz…. J
From my experience anyone purchasing multiple properties in US will benefit if they are involved at all levels from researching structures that will reduce exposure but also ways to reduce tax in US,ie setting up loans against each property. Its also taken time to source an accountant and almost 12 months to understand what he is talking about, that’s another story. If you are not prepared to be proactive be prepared to get burnt.
Property management I am finding is another beast, no surprises here, I always knew this would be a challenge. Clearly it is early days, absolutely not easy from OZ, however I believe I am having some little wins here and there. I think the key is to get involved from ensuring you understand rental statements, request invoices for all costs and ensure they are itemised. If I need to I also contact the Operations Manager and keep him in the loop via emails. It is work for sure, I email/phone regularly but I have the time and it really is the only way I know how to do things — as us Ozzies say "Keep the B….ards Honest".
Again…. xe.com is about the only one that I know of OUT of the US but you do have to sign up for the account. Ultimately for those without US bank accounts and using this for rental income – alternative would be to keep the money at the brokerage trust account and your property manager can wire back at your whim.
Hi Emma Thanks for your reply. This may be a solution however not for me, coz I would expect the property management company will charge a fee for this which will probably be minor in the scheme of things, however the real issue for me is the lack of control.
I would not be comfortable transferring funds into the brokers trust account, at the moment I want to transfer $24,000.
What one would assume would be a simple process ends up an absolute nightmare.